Author Topic: Oliver North (Read 1839 times)

Raubvogel · « **Reply #15 on:** December 20, 2001, 02:11:00 PM »

Amen easymo!

midnight Target · « **Reply #16 on:** December 20, 2001, 03:02:00 PM »

The only things missing from this post are School prayer and perk point whines.

miko2d · « **Reply #17 on:** December 20, 2001, 04:07:00 PM »

We do not avoid shooting prisoners out of respect for human life.
We do that out of respect for the law.

If that prisoner guy refuses to obey a command from a guard he will be shot even if he is unarmed and presents no danger whatsoever. Rules are rules.

miko

gavor · « **Reply #18 on:** December 20, 2001, 05:08:00 PM »

I took a deep breath before posting on this one. I'll post my though on the original subject first. In war both sides have to act less than human, they have to do things that a sane man wouldn't normally contemplate. What seperates the good people at the end is they stay their hand in excess. ie once the job is done they don't continue on to rape and pillage.

Anti-abortion 'right to lifers' really piss me off. Theres too many reasons why and I'm not going into them, but the number one hypocrisy is when these 'crusaders' bomb clinics. Where the &^$& is the right of the doctors and patients to life. Life is about choice and these groups just want to remove choice. When someone asks me why I dont follow one religion, this is one of the answers i give. Generally speaking these anti-abortion groups are religious groups or fanatics of some sort or another. If theres all these religions and they all have this central god, doesnt anyone else see its the same @#*&ing god? Oops, i think thats half a hijack and totally off topic too

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1776 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 21, 2001, 07:10:00 AM »

The unborn have a choice? The abortion industry in America fears the American people that is why you will never see the American people have a vote on this issue. There is way too much money being made in the elimination of the unborn. And the unborn can't protest

Seeker · « **Reply #20 on:** December 21, 2001, 08:16:00 AM »

You know, I see these news pictures from Afghanistan, with lonies doing the shopping with AK47's over their shoulders, and nutters hanging around street corners with grenade launchers, and I thasnk god I live in a country where guns are banned.
I'd hate to live in a lunatic place like that where every one has access to fire arms.

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #21 on:** December 21, 2001, 10:38:00 AM »

you would hate texas lol .
you should see deer season

midnight Target · « **Reply #22 on:** December 21, 2001, 11:57:00 AM »

The problem with abortion polls

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Sixty-five percent say abortion rights are generally OK for the first three months of pregnancy. Just 24 percent generally approve the choice of an abortion in the fourth, fifth or sixth month. Only 8 percent generally support abortion rights in the last three months of pregnancy.

But when people are asked what health reasons should legally justify getting an abortion, the numbers shoot to the sky: Eighty-four percent say when the woman’s life is endangered; 81 percent say when a woman’s physical health is endangered; 64 percent when a woman’s mental health is endangered; 53 percent when the baby may be born with a physical impairment; 53 percent when the baby may be born with a mental impairment.

You sure you would like to put this to a vote?

[ 12-21-2001: Message edited by: Tah Gut ]

1776 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 21, 2001, 01:23:00 PM »

Why hasn't it been put to a vote? It is clear that abortion would be stopped in its track!!!

It would have to be debated and information is the enmey of this industry. Light on this subject and a vote is the last thing our liberal friends want. That is why it is the court system and not where it should be!

hitech · « **Reply #24 on:** December 21, 2001, 02:19:00 PM »

Easymo, I'm not implieing anything sinister or againt rules of engagement, or hate killing someone caputured. But from a socity stand point. How is carring out, or having the death penalty, any different from declairing war (which will kill people).

Both seem to me simply a sociaty deciding that some things are more important than someones life. Or to phrase it in a different light. If you don't do some killing even more people will suffer or die.

Im just wondering what the difference is, because the result is the same.

BTW I'm for both.

easymo · « **Reply #25 on:** December 21, 2001, 02:52:00 PM »

Philosophically there is no difference. I agree.

My point was, soldiers arn't dealing with philosophy. They have to pull the trigger. Most of the people calling for UBL's head, would panic if you handed them an ax, and said its their job to take his head off personally.

If we allow ourselves to become a mob, and order these killings. Then our men stop being soldiers. And become hired murderers. At the very least, if we were to do that, Our guys deserve a huge pay increase

FWIW. I feel that the Military Tribunal is exactly the right course of action.

[ 12-21-2001: Message edited by: easymo ]

midnight Target · « **Reply #26 on:** December 21, 2001, 03:07:00 PM »

OZ,
I can only assume you didn't read my post. I thought it was quite clear that a general vote would surely maintain at least most abortion as legal.

Udie · « **Reply #27 on:** December 21, 2001, 03:26:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Tah Gut:
OZ,
I can only assume you didn't read my post. I thought it was quite clear that a general vote would surely maintain at least most abortion as legal.

Why, if I consider something totaly evil and murder of the most inocent form of life, must my tax dollars be used to perform such operations? If a woman wants to murder the life she created in her womb, that's between her and God (i guess) but don't
make me pay for it........!

midnight Target · « **Reply #28 on:** December 21, 2001, 03:42:00 PM »

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Why, if I consider something totaly evil and murder of the most inocent form of life, must my tax dollars be used to perform such operations? If a woman wants to murder the life she created in her womb, that's between her and God (i guess) but don't
make me pay for it........!

Now this is good stuff!
1. Democracy Through our Constitution (you know, that thing we all cherish) - The law says its legal so it is an available medical procedure.
2. Your Tax Dollars - Are only used I assume when someone is on medicare or similar health insurance. Many Jehovah's Witnesses feel blood transfusions are just as wrong. Should we disallow all procedures that anyone might find abhorant, just because someone can't afford to pay for it?
Is choice only available for those who can afford it?
3. This really is the crux of the problem - You said "Murder the life SHE created". She wasn't alone. If the abortion question were to be put to a vote, and only women were allowed to vote.....well I don't think it would be close. They would absolutely vote for choice. (IMHO)

Udie · « **Reply #29 on:** December 21, 2001, 03:47:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Tah Gut:

Now this is good stuff!
1. Democracy Through our Constitution (you know, that thing we all cherish) - The law says its legal so it is an available medical procedure.
2. Your Tax Dollars - Are only used I assume when someone is on medicare or similar health insurance. Many Jehovah's Witnesses feel blood transfusions are just as wrong. Should we disallow all procedures that anyone might find abhorant, just because someone can't afford to pay for it?
Is choice only available for those who can afford it?
3. This really is the crux of the problem - You said "Murder the life SHE created". She wasn't alone. If the abortion question were to be put to a vote, and only women were allowed to vote.....well I don't think it would be close. They would absolutely vote for choice. (IMHO)

I'll respond later, don't have time at work right now.

LOL I was worried about this thread turning into a death penalty debate...