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Offline Debonair

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House passes digital TV bill with Dec. 2008 deadline
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2005, 01:02:48 AM »
He only wants it in case there is footage of you pistol whipping oprah on TV

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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2005, 01:12:26 AM »
I would like to read the wording of the bill. It sounds like they are eliminating a requirement for broadcasters to transmit analog signals as well as digital signals. Eliminating a regulation is a good thing I think. The articles I've scanned imply that they are adding a regulation requiring all digital broadcasts. Will stations be able to broadcast in analog if they choose to?

Subsidizing boxes to transform non-digital ready TV's is complete and utter crap.

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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2005, 01:24:40 AM »
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I would like to read the wording of the bill. It sounds like they are eliminating a requirement for broadcasters to transmit analog signals as well as digital signals. Eliminating a regulation is a good thing I think. The articles I've scanned imply that they are adding a regulation requiring all digital broadcasts. Will stations be able to broadcast in analog if they choose to?

Subsidizing boxes to transform non-digital ready TV's is complete and utter crap.


The reg to require digital broadcast has been in effect for some time.  I believe it required all broadcasters to come on board by 2004 (I could be wrong).  The new reg just states that they no longer will be required to broadcast in analog after 2009.  This is just a government regulated transition period.

I agree with you on the box thingy.  With the price of plasmas and HDTVs dropping, most of us will have replaced our TVs by then anyways.

My advice is to not be lulled into buying one of those dirt cheap analog sets; It will be worthless in 4 years (without the government subsidized convertion box).

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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2005, 01:42:16 AM »
Well at least they waited for March Madness to be over:rolleyes:
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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2005, 06:03:16 AM »
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agree with you on the box thingy.  With the price of plasmas and HDTVs dropping, most of us will have replaced our TVs by then anyways.

My advice is to not be lulled into buying one of those dirt cheap analog sets; It will be worthless in 4 years (without the government subsidized convertion box).

Yes, that's the idea of the box, your analog set will NOT be worthless in the future. We are going all digital in 2007, and 95% of the tv-sets sold here still have an analog tuner or no tuner at all. There's just no point, with an external box it's easier to upgrade without buying a whole set. There are going to be lots of new digital services introduced in the future, and if I buy a digital set now it won't support all the services in the future.

When it was annouced here that the broadcasts are going all digital in 2007, there was a huge outcry. Eventually people realized that it's a good thing, and that there's nothing wrong with external boxes. My grandmother for example is very comfortable and happy with her current $100 box. The number of channels tripled, and the box is very easy to use.

The fact that the tuners are currently built in to the sets is also one of the reason why you are still stuck with 60's tech.

I agree that the subsidizing is stupid. The boxes aren't expensive, and well worth their natural cost.
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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2005, 07:17:24 AM »
written by MrRiplEy:

The dawn of digital television was filled with promises. The consumers were to get better tv, richer in colors and abundant in variety at no cost.

The reality was different. As many naysayers already envisioned the beginning of the transmissions posed more problems than benefits. The early adopters soon found out that the expensive receivers they purchased were in fact buggy and needed replacing way before even half of the population had bought theirs. Despite the promises the prices of the digital receivers never went down. Instead they became packed with more functionality, such as harddrives for recording.

Many questioned the viability of the promises on improved content. We were promised more channels, better programs and a higher image quality to top it off. The reality proved a lot different: Same general channels with _degraded_ image quality due to lossy compression used on the channels. Those who had a flawless analog image quality were disappointed. Those living in rural areas found often some improvement image wise. As suspected the content provided did not improve one bit. Granted there are now more channels. We got one 24h music channel which serves mainly as an advertisement for the ever so loved recording industry. We got informational channels which provide an interesting documentary about ONCE A WEEK. We got the first national adult tv-channel which uses a loophole in legislation in order to transmit an hour of hardcore porn 4 days a week for free.

But most importantly now that the transmission costs lowered and the new digital technology advanced we got paid channels. Paid channels with little to none interest in them. Sports. F1 Grand Prix. Anyone wanting those could aswell buy satellite for 10x the content. But that's not all folks..

A plague of modern tv was introduced: MOBILE GAMING. Anyone ever seen one? It goes like this: Every day, several hours per day, tv-channels run mobile games and chat on screen. People can send SMS messages in order to chat or play the retarded games for (and this is the best part) $0.7 - $1 a message. That's right, imagine playing a puzzle game with 20 other players and paying $1 per move. Sounds impossible right?

Wrong. The games are filled with idiots either wanting to see their name on the tv-screen or simply underage children paying on their parents account. Yep, most 10-year old kids in Finland have their own cellular phones paid by parents these days.

Conclusion:

Digital television was lobbyed to the legislators by the media companies. Much as the recent copyright law it directly violates the benefits of the consumer and plays directly to the pocket of the media industry. To the consumers the digital tv brought only _mandatory_ cost as everyone is now forced to purchase either a new tv-set or at least a digital receiver. Well, or stop watching tv completely. At the same time the media content did not improve and the amount of mobile tv games skyrocketed. The media industry 1 consumer 0.

Post script:

With the inclusion of the new digital rights law, it is suspected by the same naysayers that DRM will soon be introduced to normal tv. Already in the US legislation is being pushed to both limit viewing of any digital broadcast under a certain timeperiod and include the same limitation to analog devices.

That's right, if the MPAA/RIAA a-holes get their way through  soon every digital and analog device sold in the united states will have a mandatory DRM functionality which for example deletes any tv-show taped on a vcr if a time limit set by content holder is exceeded. The same legislation aims to end most of TIVO functionality, especially deleting adverts. Some shows will also be set with 'limited view' flag meaning you can only delay viewing the recording up to 40 minutes. Permanent storing will be denied.
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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2005, 09:36:16 AM »
I don't see it that negatively, but it's a fine summary never the less. Digital technology in itself isn't the cause for the crappy content. I'm sure a lot of people who believed the hype were dissapointed. Just another example of typical lobbying.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2005, 09:42:58 AM by mora »

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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2005, 09:08:32 PM »
"My advice is to, within the next 4 years, get a digital TV. "

Why would I need to buy a new TV?   My TV is more than 20 years old and it works just fine with digital cable and various digital satellite networks.  If converters will be available so I can pick up air broadcasts too, then why fork out several thousand dollars for one that'll do the same things that my current TV does?

I'd happily buy a new TV if all the new ones weren't ugly overpriced plastic things.  I don't like the all-plastic "hospital room" look that is modern interior fashion.  

The REAL reason the businesses want to switch to all-digital networks has nothing to do with the number of channels they can provide and everything to do with it becomming easier for them to monitor everything you watch, record, etc.

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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2005, 09:19:26 PM »
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"My advice is to, within the next 4 years, get a digital TV. "

Why would I need to buy a new TV?   My TV is more than 20 years old and it works just fine with digital cable and various digital satellite networks.  If converters will be available so I can pick up air broadcasts too, then why fork out several thousand dollars for one that'll do the same things that my current TV does?

I'd happily buy a new TV if all the new ones weren't ugly overpriced plastic things.  I don't like the all-plastic "hospital room" look that is modern interior fashion.  

The REAL reason the businesses want to switch to all-digital networks has nothing to do with the number of channels they can provide and everything to do with it becomming easier for them to monitor everything you watch, record, etc.

J_A_B


DING DING DING DING

We have a winner.  Broadcasters want to reign in control of their content.  That way they can make more money off of it.  I'm not saying this is bad or good but when TIVO caves in to the major networks demands to control what their customers can record and play back it really angers me.

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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2005, 09:57:09 PM »
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I'd happily buy a new TV if all the new ones weren't ugly overpriced plastic things.  I don't like the all-plastic "hospital room" look that is modern interior fashion.  

J_A_B


LOL, yes gett a wood cabinet TV with quality hand soldered electronic compoments, none of that PCB stuff from smarty upstart Oriental companies like Sony!

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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2005, 10:13:59 PM »
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LOL, yes gett a wood cabinet TV with quality hand soldered electronic compoments, none of that PCB stuff from smarty upstart Oriental companies like Sony!

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Don't forget about the vacume tubes.....Those make all the difference.

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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2005, 10:19:22 PM »
Once again, our Congress is meddling in things that are really none of their business.
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« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2005, 10:32:20 PM »
"LOL, yes gett a wood cabinet TV with quality hand soldered electronic compoments, none of that PCB stuff from smarty upstart Oriental companies like Sony!"

I'll take a picture of my TV sometime if I can get my hands on a digital camera.  I'm sure any reasonable person would agree that it's utterly superior to anything being built today.  

But then, some people just have no taste and actually like inferior junk.

If there's an argument against old TV's like mine, it's the fact that they weigh 300 pounds.  I'd love to see one of these new 3-inch thick plasma TV's with quality bodywork.


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« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2005, 10:36:12 PM »
Superior in which way JAB? Be as specific as you are arrogant in telling us how your TV is better:

Wood cabinet?

Metal dials?

Picture quality?

Sound quality?

Picture resolution?

HDTV display?

Screen size?

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« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2005, 11:53:48 PM »
Wood cabinet?  yes.  This makes it both good-looking AND durbale against kids having a temper tantrum.

Metal dials?  No, this isn't the 1950's.  It has no dials at all.  It doesn't have legs, either.

Picture quality?  I'm satisfied

Sound quality?  Wood framework = good for speaker mounting.  Not even you can argue with that, at least.  

Picture resolution? Heck if I know...I watch TV like twice a week.  

HDTV display? Too old for that.

Screen size? RCA 25 inch


Unlike all-plastic abominations, it actually matches the rest of my furniture.

If you think my TV is bad, you should see my stereo entertainment center--it's from the 1950's and is fully enclosed in a wood cabinet, they make NOTHING like it these days.


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