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Offline Fishu

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« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2005, 01:28:02 PM »
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Carefull, Skydancer. You are confusing guerilla warfare with terrorism.

Partisan groups backed by the Allies focused on military targets and supply and communications lines. We did not train them to randomly kill civilians by blowing themselves up in crowds.


There was a mix of terror warfare also..
Sometimes the partisan groups were fightning against each others interests and sometimes killing people suspected of aiding germans.
although it wasn't the same all around.
Different nations, different areas... different groups...

Iraq is a mix of guerrilla and terror warfare.
Alot more terrorism than in WWII though.
However its not terrorism to put up a roadside bomb and blow up a military convoy.


I'd be interested to know whether terror and guerrilla attacks are done by same groups or totally different groups, and are they working under same strategic command or not.
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« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2005, 01:39:18 PM »
911 did not take place because we didnt have the patriot act.

It took place because a gutted CIA didnt have enough info and the FBI and CIA didnt share info and no one thought it was going to happen.


The patriot act is not as bad as some make it out, but its not a great thing, and I dont think the government needs more power over us.


They need to address the problems in a real way like closing the borders so someone does walk a dirty bomb or a nuke into the country.

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« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2005, 02:00:30 PM »
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The patriot act is not as bad as some make it out, but its not a great thing, and I dont think the government needs more power over us.
 


True, it's not as evil as some insist, but I agree that terrorism can be combatted without the powers it instills.

The scariest part of the partriot act was the knee jerk way that it was created and voted into law. If something like 9/11 were to happen again I think we can expect marshal law.

Here's the problem with the patriot act:

There are plenty of nations that can make reasonable claims at being "free". But the US is unique from all of these because of the contents of the Bill of Rights. Eroding these rights, even by just a little, is basically saying:

"In order to preserve what makes us special, we have to stop being special."

I don't buy it.

The whole flag desecration thing is equally inane.

If you tell me that the flag is such an important symbol of our unique freedoms that destroying it no longer falls under the category of free expression, then my reply is that the unique freedoms represented by the flag no longer exist, that it is diminished as a symbol, and nobody should care if I destroy it.

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« Reply #48 on: July 08, 2005, 02:08:47 PM »
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True, it's not as evil as some insist, but I agree that terrorism can be combatted without the powers it instills.

The scariest part of the partriot act was the knee jerk way that it was created and voted into law. If something like 9/11 were to happen again I think we can expect marshal law.

Here's the problem with the patriot act:

There are plenty of nations that can make reasonable claims at being "free". But the US is unique from all of these because of the contents of the Bill of Rights. Eroding these rights, even by just a little, is basically saying:

"In order to preserve what makes us special, we have to stop being special."

I don't buy it.

The whole flag desecration thing is equally inane.

If you tell me that the flag is such an important symbol of our unique freedoms that destroying it no longer falls under the category of free expression, then my reply is that the unique freedoms represented by the flag no longer exist, that it is diminished as a symbol, and nobody should care if I destroy it.



Well said, and I agree

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« Reply #49 on: July 08, 2005, 03:05:00 PM »
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« Reply #50 on: November 22, 2005, 09:11:11 AM »
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