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Offline SirLoin

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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2001, 04:52:00 AM »
Who knows,maybe he was a American Spy calling in airstrikes and infultrating the enemy.Remember Lee Harvey Oswald?Who trained him and paid for his ticket home from USSR?He was a "Traitor" in the press....It only came out after he was captured that there was an American in the Tailiban and JWB is already taking a soft stance on what to do with him.You can bet the CIA has infultrators in every enemy organization,just as the Terrorists have infultrated our society...You never know.
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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2001, 05:05:00 AM »
Trust me Sirloin Jonny Talib SF BayArea wonderchild isnt the CIA type.....

BTW now we find out his father is a gay, little wonder huh?

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« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2001, 08:22:00 AM »
"BTW now we find out his father is a gay, little wonder huh?"

So you're suggesting that deviancy is inherited?

Or that all gays should go to the Zyklon B farms, to prevent treason?

Or what?

You disgust me, you nasty little totalitarian freak.

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« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2001, 08:27:00 AM »
He fought for the Taliban, yes?

Or was did he join the Al Qaeda?

If he fought for the Taliban, he should of been "caught in the crossfire". No point in taking a traitor (and he is) into custody.

If he fought for the Al Qaeda, he's a terrorist, and should of been run over with a tank.
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« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2001, 08:48:00 AM »
LoL Seeker you crack me up!

Just commenting on the environment little Johhny Talib had in the Bay Area, all progressive peaceful inclusive and loving toejam.


Zyklon B, yea thats rich.   :rolleyes:

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« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2001, 08:59:00 AM »
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ:
LoL Seeker you crack me up!

Just commenting on the environment little Johhny Talib had in the Bay Area, all progressive peaceful inclusive and loving toejam.


Zyklon B, yea thats rich.    :rolleyes:

Actually you're using his fathers sexuality as an exscuse to bash Gays , and the "SF hippy" socialist attitude that you hate, using the hostility towards John Walker to back it up.

It's the usual juvenile toejam that wannabe skinheads pull on their way to burn a few crosses.


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« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2001, 09:38:00 AM »
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Just commenting on the environment little Johhny Talib had in the Bay Area, all progressive peaceful inclusive and loving toejam.
 

LOL, I sense anger here. Were you abused by a hippie when you were younger? Maybe a multicolored bus ran over your dog? Gay guys hit on you too often?   :p

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« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2001, 10:21:00 AM »
Nimitz, he could have renounced his citizenship at any time had he so desired.

I'm sure that if you squint just right you can see this as a complex matter with many different points of view, but you're squinting so hard your eyelids may cramp.

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« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2001, 10:30:00 AM »
...or you can just let the rage completely cloud your vision.

As KB said, they are going to have one helluva time proving treason. The government is in a tough spot. Congress has not declared war. Bush stated that military tribunals would not be used to try American citizens. That means criminal court and if the "authorities" did not Mirandize young Mr. Walker before they started interogating him, then all of his statements will be inadmissable in court.
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« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2001, 10:34:00 AM »
In Marin County, Calif., treason is just another alternative lifestyle.

BY CLAUDIA ROSETT


Thursday, December 6, 2001 12:01 a.m. EST

Source: http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/cRosett/?id=95001558

Were the story of John Walker Lindh not so horribly real, it could play as a parody of our times. Mr. Walker, a 20-year-old American, goes to war in Afghanistan. Except he fights not for America, but against us, on the side of Osama bin Laden and the Taliban. By the time he's captured, AK-47 in hand, Mr. Walker is filthy, wounded and famished, but to a persistent reporter from Newsweek he manages to gasp out his support for the Islamic terrorist attacks that, out of a clear blue sky, killed more than 3,000 Americans on Sept. 11.

Which sounds bad. But hey, dude, John--a k a "Sulayman," a k a "Abdul Hamid"--is from Marin County, Calif., a place where it is, like, totally uncool to make value judgments.

From Marin, the young Mr. Walker's parents spot him on the TV news and hustle to share with the world the alternative reality that shaped this self-described jihadi in the first place. Their son John is a spiritual,
questing guy, we are told, a pacifist at heart, young and maybe susceptible to brainwashing. John's mother, Marilyn Walker, tells the press that her son is just a "sweet, shy kid," "totally not streetwise," a peaceful, scholarly type who wanted to help poor people. His father, Frank Lindh, announces that John "is a really good boy" even if he does deserve "a little kick in the butt for not telling me what he was up to."

A Marin musician, Neil Lavin, tells the Associated Press that Mr. Walker was in Afghanistan on a spiritual quest, quite possibly a rewarding one: "I imagine he lost himself there. Or found himself." A family friend, Bill Jones, tells the San Francisco Chronicle that fighting for bin Laden was just "a youthful indiscretion."

Even outside Marin, a lot of folks just don't seem to get it. In one account after another, there is the same perplexed tone: How could it happen that John Walker Lindh, the second of three children reared by broad-minded parents in the emotionally supportive 1990s, in a 3,000-square-foot home in one of the wealthiest enclaves on the California coast, ended up questing away with an assault weapon on the enemy side in Afhanistan?

Newsweek quotes Mr. Lindh, his father, as saying, "I can't connect the dots between where John was and where John is." The magazine concludes: "Neither, it seems, can the rest of the world."

Oh really? The dots we've seen so far--especially in Newsweek and on CNN--invite some definite connecting.

What jumps out is a sorry sketch of the real world colliding with American culture at its most neurotically all-validating no-fault New Age nadir of nattering nonsense. No where in the nation could this particular picture have more naturally taken shape than in that Mecca of moral muddling, Marin County--a place salted with rich aging radicals of the 1960s, long on dollars but still short on sense. Recite the publicly known details of John Walker's life, and you have a narrative in which every authority figure in sight was so busy validating John and his alternative ways that no one stepped in soon enough to save him, or stop him.

And what he ended up doing, as reported so far, does not sound good. To venture a word that on the evidence seems to have gone missing from the Marin vocabulary (except when invoked to mean good"), it sounds bad.
American authorities now face the job of deciding whether Mr. Walker deserves to be tried for treason, which can carry a death penalty.

By his own account, Mr. Walker went to Afghanistan six months ago and trained for combat at a camp for supporters of Osama bin Laden. He fought with Taliban-linked Pakistanis against India, in Kashmir--a place riven for the past 10 years by terrorist violence and kidnappings. He then returned to Afghanistan to fight on the side of the Taliban against Americans and the
Northern Alliance. Mr. Walker was captured among the al Qaeda and Taliban fighters who began the ferocious prison riot that killed a CIA agent, David Spann--a man who gave his life for the country John Walker betrayed.

But hey, give old Abdul Hamid a chance. Named originally for John Lennon, John Walker was raised in an atmosphere so swamped with tolerance it's small wonder he began to drown. His parents are now going through what they describe as an amicable divorce. His father is a Catholic. His mother
dabbles in Buddhism, which according to Newsweek she credits for exposing John to a
philosophy "very inclusive of all people" and imbued with a "sense of social justice."

John spent only a few months at a regular high school before transferring to the "alternative" Tamiscal High School, a place for artistic types specializing in independent study that, according to the school's Web site "works differently in many ways." Students are left to pilot their own
journeys of self-discovery, while checking in with teachers once a week. At age 16, John read "The Autobiography of Malcolm X," and in it found himself yet another alternative--he converted to Islam.

In keeping with Islamic laws, Mr. Walker grew a beard and began praying regularly at a local mosque. He took to wearing Islamic robes and a turban, while his parents gushed over what they are still lauding as his
"alternative course." He graduated early from the flexible Tamiscal High, and at 17, with his parents' blessing, he went to Yemen to study Arabic. He came back to California, briefly, but in February 2000 he returned to Yemen. Newsweek reports: "It was during John's second trip to Yemen, says his father, that he became aware that John had friends who had been to Chechnya to fight with Muslim rebels against the Russian army. One friend had been killed in the fighting."

Last October, John and his father had what Mr. Lindh described to CNN's Larry King as "a little father/son debate, much like my dad and I used to have over the Vietnam war" (was the young Mr. Lindh consorting with
combat-ready Viet Cong?). Mr. Lindh was upset that the American sailors killed in the terrorist bombing of the USS Cole in the Yemeni port of Aden were the same age as John. John e-mailed him back that the terrorist bombing was justified.

Mr. Lindh concluded, reports Newsweek, that "My days of molding him were
over." But the days of funding him went right on. When John moved to Pakistan, enrolled in a madrassa near the Afghan border and asked his dad for money, Mr. Lindh wired $1,200. John told his parents he was heading "somewhere cooler" for a while and disappeared into Afghanistan. Cool, huh?

And here we all are, in the midst of a real war with American lives on the line. And there are Mr. Lindh and Ms. Walker, who say they were horrified by Sept. 11, pleading for mercy for their son who joined the enemy. And they still don't get it. Mr. Lindh, who tells the world, "I'm proud of John,"insists "there's no indication he's done anything wrong." In the world they
inhabit, could John ever do anything wrong? When he was only 17 they deemed him mature enough to don turban and robes and take a voyage to Yemen. Now that he's 20 and has arrived at the Taliban terminus of his personal journey, suddenly he's too young to know his own mind. But through it all,
says his father, "he found this other spiritual path, and I have always supported that."

It's painful to watch. It's tragic. But that doesn't make it all right. Somewhere between the kid in Marin with a book and the man in Afghanistan with a gun, there's a line that has been crossed. Connect the dots and you'll see it.

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Ms. Rosett is a member of The Wall Street Journal's editorial board. Her column appears Thursdays on OpinionJournal.com and in The Wall Street Journal Europe as "Letter From America."
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

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« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2001, 10:46:00 AM »
Reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons where you see young Flanders and his parents. He does whatever he wants because the parents don't want to punish him.

"Doc, you've got to help us. We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas!"

See, it's shoddy parenting that's screwing up today's youth. This should be the best example that it ain't the violent movies or video games screwing up kids today and giving them motives to shoot up schools, kill other people, pull fake guns on police officers, or even joining an enemy of the United States because he was allowed to do whatever he wants.

This kinda garbage ain't gonna stop anytime soon either.
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« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2001, 11:44:00 AM »
Come On People!

How many kids came out of Marin County and joined terrorist groups? How many kids with "inclusive" upbringings in this den-of-psychos are in the al quaida(sp?)? answer: Well, 1 that we know of, but darnit, people are being understanding! How dare they!

How many strictly raised right winger kids end up in the KKK or Michigan Militia or Nazi Movement? Unless your head is in the sand you know this is a MUCH bigger number and a MUCH bigger problem.

Weirdos exist in all areas, it isn't tolerance that is the problem! Its the lack of it. OBL wants nothing as much as for us to reduce our level of tolerance for all groups in our society. Do you really want to assist him in his quest?  :confused:

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« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2001, 12:03:00 PM »
SALUTE TAH GUT!!!!
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« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2001, 12:42:00 PM »
"Michigan Militia "

They're next on the target list. Just after the Girl Scouts  ;)

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« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2001, 01:24:00 PM »
Sorry, you're on our side or you're not, the line is pretty clear. He has taken  up arms against us. I don't know what else a person can do to make his intentions clearer.

Let's not pull some sort of wrangling defense on his behalf. I don't care where he came from, I don't care about his parents or his upbringing, I don't care about his dad's sexual orientation, I don't care if he was a good kid in the neighborhood- I just don't care. All I know is he is a kid that, had I been staring down the barrel of his gun,he would have fired. Please tell me, what else do I need to know?