What to do with American Taliban John Walker?

[midnight Target]

GRUNHERZ,

I would dearly love for you to read all of my posts and find a place where I said anything you consider PC and post it here.

PC means what to you? That all people should be treated equally? I agree. Can gays have their own scholarship program...why not? I don't suppose you have a problem with the UNCF (United Negro College Fund), or maybe one from the your local Mosque for a deserving muslim student? If these other (non gay)scholarships don't bother you then you need to look inside yourself for the real reason that that gay kid getting a scholarship pissed you off. You might just have to admit I have a point, But then I am a...

 

 PC whacko who demands his "special" groups be treated with kid gloves. Ive had enough of PC trash ideas It has simply gone too far, its almosr Fascist/Communist in its practice and application today. Its Un-American.
 

That made a lot of sense.....if you don't like it, call it PC. Yea, something similar to that worked well for other hate groups in the past too. But then you already mentioned the Fascists, but you forgot the Nazis.

Is this PC?

 

Posted by Tahgut: OTOH blaming all of the "liberals" in Marin County or anywhere else for John Walker without looking to see where all those people wearing white sheets come from is just STUPID! This is about an idiot kid from an idiot family. Stop trying to make some kind of ludicrous point about your right wing agenda out of it.
 

Whats PC about that? If I was really gonna go PC with this I sure forgot to not call him an IDIOT! Oh ...I know, it doesn't say bad things about liberals...lets move on.

This must be the PC quote:

 

Posted by Tahgut:
 How many kids came out of Marin County and joined terrorist groups? How many kids with "inclusive" upbringings in this den-of-psychos are in the al quaida(sp?)? answer: Well, 1 that we know of, but darnit, people are being understanding! How dare they!

How many strictly raised right winger kids end up in the KKK or Michigan Militia or Nazi Movement? Unless your head is in the sand you know this is a MUCH bigger number and a MUCH bigger problem.

Weirdos exist in all areas, it isn't tolerance that is the problem! Its the lack of it. OBL wants nothing as much as for us to reduce our level of tolerance for all groups in our society. Do you really want to assist him in his quest?
 

Yea ...this must be the PC quote, cause I used the word TOLERANCE...but you go ahead and take it out of context if you like. Did I make a point there? I think so, but you will have to READ it to decide. Where did I "demand people be treated differently"?

 and

DON'T FREAKIN APOLOGIZE FOR ME! You are the one with your head in the sand. You should be apologizing for the falacious rant against something you perceived that was not there. Now..........get back in there and read before you rant.....and since it is the season, I forgive you.

Merry Christmas Grunherz and all      

[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: Tah Gut ]

[midnight Target]

Oh okay, so if someone disagrees with your racist, biased, prejudiced opinions, they're "PC". And that's a bad thing?  

How am I racist?  

ROFL...."Yer fat, dumb and ugly"
"I'm not fat"

C'mon....that is a classic!
     

[GRUNHERZ]

So sirloin gay is a race now, huh?  

Anyway Thrawn if you read my posts youll see that all I want is for gays to be treated like anyone else. Im opposed to them being tretaed diffrently, this includes policies that both hurt and benefit anyone JUSt because they are gay.

For the record:

I belive that gay couples should get the same legal, adoption, fininacial, hospital vistataion, insurence and inheritance rights as married straight couples.

I belive that gays should have a legal ability to wed, except, and this is solely based on my individual opininion it shouldnt be called the word "marriage" because that has in every society I have ever studied and my belief been a specific act between a man and a woman.

Now ask yourself this, Are my views anti-gay at all?

Did I once say anything bad about anyone lving and being gay and not straight? Did I make fun of gay people? Did I attack gays as being wierd or freaks? Did I do any of this?

Look at my posts.

Now what did I say?  It was all political.

Everyone here knows I hate leftists (not liberals or democrats but extreme left wingers like neo-nazis are extreme right wingers), In my personal experience pretty much all gays I have met and gotten to know tend to be very very left leaning, some are even leftists.

This is my experience with people who I know to be openly gay, do you find this conclusion of mine offensive? Well maybe you know other gay people who are not left leaning. Prejudice, well I didnt prejudge anyone I met people and got to know them. This isnt Prejudice now is it? Bias? Well shreck sure Im biased anyone with opinions is. You have no opinions right?


Anyway I pointed out that his daddy was gay because In my experience gays tend to be left wing progressive PC types who (left wing types) In my experience are too permissive and wacko in thier political views and I think that led lil Johnny Talib to make bad decision like he did.

Listen Its obvious we dont agree on some points but Im really dissapointed and concerned that you guys here would stoop down to these childsh textbook PC whacko scare tactics of calling people racists whenever they criticize PC approved "special" groups. In my opnion all people are pretty much the same, and I feel free in my heart to criticize them freely.


i donno what else to say fellas, feel free to ask any specfics if you misunderstood any part of this post and are interesten in what I really stand for and not just in bashing me.

[GRUNHERZ]

TahGut is a child molester and rapist.

Prove that you arent, or is just asking for proof by the accuser tantamount to a confession by the accused?

[midnight Target]

Well Grunherz, you've out guttered us all, congratulations.

"The masses will more likely believe a big lie than a small one" I think you ought to look up who said that.


 

Prove that you arent, or is just asking for proof by the accuser tantamount to a confession by the accused?
 

Still trying to figure out what brought this on.....was it the girlfriend joke?

[SirLoin]

If Gays had equal rights I would STRONGLY disagree with them having special scholarships(as I would with anyone who thinks they are more than equal).They do not so more power to them...I'm sorry AKNimitz this thread degenerated into this.

[GRUNHERZ]

So are you a child molester and rapist?

Does you response prove it or disprove it?


Yes I am sorry too sirloin that tahgut and trotski did that.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
I don't really understand what the problem is... it seems he should be treated the same as any Taliban captured in Afghanistan.  Turn him over to the Afghan government and let them decide his fate.

Just make it clear that he will not be re-issued a US passport for the one he "lost".

AKDejaVu

Good point DejaVu.

I think (could be wrong) that every US citizen has the right to denounce their citizenship and claim whatever country might have them.

If this is the case then he shouldn't be considered to be a traitor unless he claims US citizenship.

However, just as all al-Qaida members, he could be held accountable the same as bin Laden should we choose so.

[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: AKIron ]

[-tronski-]

I guess not swallowing the white fundamentalist christian view on homosexuality makes me PC, well bugger it...guess I'm an Oprah watching, bookclub reading politicaly correct sheep.

But it's sounds a far better proposition than a closed minded fascist droid.

 

Trust me Sirloin Jonny Talib SF BayArea wonderchild isnt the CIA type.....BTW now we find out his father is a gay, little wonder huh?

 

Just commenting on the environment little Johhny Talib had in the Bay Area, all progressive peaceful inclusive and loving toejam.

So go ahead I assume youll just ignore this response and see it through your own colred lenses as most PC whackos do. And yes thats what you are, a PC whacko who demands his "special" groups be treated with kid gloves. Ive had enough of PC trash ideas It has simply gone too far, its almosr Fascist/Communist in its practice and application today. Its Un-American.

Yeah it's mine and Tah Gut's  fault...


Tronsky

[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: -tronski- ]

[Udie]

So tronski,

 If I don't believe in that lifestyle and have seen them (gays) do stuff that is disgusting, like sucking d__k through the hole of a wall, not knowing who it belongs to.  Or backing his butt up to the same hole to surf the ole hershey highway.  Yet I don't react with violence, just don;t want to support that disgusting way of life.  Does that make me a fascist too?


 also,  as an American doesn't Grun have a right to disagree with that way of life and your opinion on it?  You sound more like the fascist to me...

[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: Udie ]

[Thrawn]

If I don't believe in that lifestyle

Being gay isn't any more a "lifestyle" than being straight it.  It's simply what they are.

and have seen them (gays) do stuff that is disgusting, like sucking d__k through the hole of a wall, not knowing who it belongs to.  Or backing his butt up to the same hole to surf the ole hershey highway.

I've seen guys getting bjs from hookers in an alley.  Any group of people have their sluts and scumy people.  It's not exclusive to gays and not all gays are like that.

Yet I don't react with violence, just don;t want to support that disgusting way of life.  Does that make me a fascist too?

Hell I don't support it either but, once again, that way of life isn't exclusice to gays and not all gays live that way either.


 also,  as an American doesn't Grun have a right to disagree with that way of life and your opinion on it?  You sound more like the fascist to me...

Sure he can disagree, and we can disagree with him.

[GRUNHERZ]

The USA is very wonderful in that we can argue nicely, not disagree, and I specifically say argue since my stance on gays is not any diffrent from trotskis or tahguts or thrawns but a few of them wanna pick a fight over my hatred of PC political attitudes towards gays and the looney leftists in general.


<S> all and I hope you all have nice Chrismas and New Year.

[SirLoin]

Amen!!!........Merry X-Mas everyone!  

[mrfish]

reality: he's a traitor.

legal reality: he may or may not have met the necessary conditions to be convicted of treason.

fortunately his activities in the prison uprising will get him convicted of "something".

its just like them busting oj for cable theft...if the law won't let you get them for their real sin, maybe it'll let you get them for something else.

so long as there is some level of justice i guess you can loosely claim that the system is effective.

at least we have that until someday reality and the law meet.

[-tronski-]

Originally posted by Udie:
So tronski,

 If I don't believe in that lifestyle and have seen them (gays) do stuff that is disgusting, like sucking d__k through the hole of a wall, not knowing who it belongs to.  Or backing his butt up to the same hole to surf the ole hershey highway.  Yet I don't react with violence, just don;t want to support that disgusting way of life.  Does that make me a fascist too?


 also,  as an American doesn't Grun have a right to disagree with that way of life and your opinion on it?  You sound more like the fascist to me...

[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: Udie ]

Make a statement that someone ended up in the Taliban because his father is gay in a public forum then your fair game.
I'm not arguing the point about life style, but baseless idiotic arguments.

If I would post that sept 11th happened because there were too many jews in the WTC, you think that you could not post an argument against that kind of statement?

Tronsky