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Offline mora

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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2005, 09:12:38 AM »
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About 1.20 euros/ltr here, diesel around 1 euro/ltr.

Now that they lowered the gas price they started ripping off from diesel. You can get it for .92€ in some places but usually it's around 1.00€. I sometimes actually shop around using pricewatch.

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« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2005, 09:20:24 AM »
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Soon as everyone starts screaming about the Oil companys & record profits, Govt starts talking about investigating. Prices start dropping back to pre Katrina levels.

Oil companys trying to stand around looking innocent. "Hey no huge price gouging going on here!" as they stand around trying to keep money from escapeing from their pockets.

We all know what the problem is. What I don't know is how to get them to actually compete with each other instead of getting together to set prices.

Well at least you have laws against gouging and cartels. In here and I suspect in many other euro  countries those laws are a joke.

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« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2005, 10:11:58 AM »
I'm always amused about how the most irritating cultural quirks from the US tend to get picked up in Europe and the UK...  In the last 6 months, I've noticed what appears to be double the number of UK spec SUVs driving around.  Most are huge range rovers, but I saw a half dozen UK spec Ford SUVs in one day earlier this week.

Why can't the UK bring over our GOOD habits?  The US tries to copy what's GOOD about the UK, but the UK seems intent on turning into a nation of wanna-be gangsta (but without quite as many guns).  Next we'll see spinner wheels on otherwise nice Nissan Skylines...

Seriously, it's pretty disappointing to see how popular SUVs are becoming in the UK.  For most people, it's a clear indication that they value bling over substance and have an utter disregard for both the environment and the value of their money.  Sad.
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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2005, 10:12:28 AM »
$ 1.96 in Dallas

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« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2005, 11:48:56 AM »
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my local monopoly tesco garage sells diesel for 98p/ltr.

everywhere else is between 95-99p.


what the hell are our guys dying for if we are seeing prices rise over here?


i say pull out all troops from service from those coutries not happy with their fuel prices.


I thought you guys got most of your oil from the North Sea fields.  I understand the effects of world markets, trading, yada yada yada, but I am surprised that there has been such an effect in Britain.

Somebody, somewhere is making a LOT of money on this whole oil "shortage"--although there is no problem with the supply right now.

On another note, I will be travelling to London on December 4.  What (other than the usual museums, etc.) should I NOT miss seeing?


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« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2005, 12:33:01 PM »
Eagl - yes, I too despair of seeing cars like the BMW X5, and that new VW Toureng thing - used as runabouts by bourgeois women commuting between their various coffee mornings, with their pre-school brats strapped into the back. But oh! - they need a car that size... "for protection". :rolleyes: That VW has a 5 litre V10. FFS!! - for doing the school run? :mad: As for the BMW X5, I hardly ever see one being driven by a man. :confused:

rshubert - you should not miss seeing... mechanic and me :D We're both just a short drive from Heathrow. Are you coming into Heathrow or Gatwick?

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« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2005, 12:42:32 PM »
Just paid $2.03 per Gal here in jersey the other day.

thats down from about $2.80 pre Katrina and $3.20 after Katrina

I am hearing prices are expected to continue falling.

I was thinking that maybe it had somethig to do with this

NJ Sues Oil Companies Over Post-Katrina Gas-Price Gouging
Hess, Motiva Shell, Sunoco and Independents Are Targets



Sep 27, 2005 7:30 am US/Eastern
TRENTON (AP) New Jersey filed suit against three oil companies and several independent gas station owners Monday, charging them with gouging motorists during Hurricane Katrina.

The lawsuits, filed in Mercer County Superior Court, charge Hess, Motiva Shell and Sunoco with artificially inflating gas prices and for increasing prices more than the once-a-day legal limit. Independent gas station operators selling Hess, Shell, Sunoco and Citgo brands were also sued.

Specifically, the defendants are charged with violating the state's motor fuels and consumer fraud acts through their pricing practices.

"The goal here is to protect consumers' hard-earned money from artificial inflation and economic exploitation,'' said Attorney General Peter Harvey, whose office initiated the suits. "Some of these dealers were using Katrina to artificially inflate the price, because there were sufficient supplies that this kind of pricing did not have to occur.''

Harvey said the charges resulted from investigations by the Office of Weights and Measures and county officials and were based in part on consumer complaints. More than 400 gas stations were monitored during the first week of September, with 100 alleged violations recorded.

The probe began after consumers began to complain about steep and sudden rises in gas prices just before Labor Day weekend. New Jersey gas prices hit their highest-ever levels on Labor Day at an average of $3.16 per gallon of regular.
"Companies that prey on hardworking families through fraudulent practices should feel the full force of the law,'' acting Gov. Richard J. Codey said in a statement issued late Monday. ``Katrina was a devastating hurricane, not a financial windfall for the shameless.''

The complaint also alleges that the defendants engaged in "unconscionable practices,'' which Harvey said included charging motorists' credit cards for more gasoline than they received. He said the suit seeks restitution for customers who were overcharged.

Another bogus practice was to charge drivers for higher octane gas while filling their tanks with lower octane fuel, Harvey said.

Anne Peebles, a spokeswoman for Motiva Shell, said "Shell and Motiva have a history of being sensitive to price changes during significant events such as Hurricane Katrina, and so do our retailers and wholesalers. We do not condone price-gouging and we work closely with local officials in any investigation. We have absolutely no knowledge of the lawsuit.''

Jay Wilson, vice president of investor relations for Hess Corp., said Monday that he hadn't seen the suit and would not comment on it.

Sunoco did not immediately return calls for comment.

Fines are up $10,000 for Consumer Fraud Act violations and up to $200 for violating the Motor Fuels Act.

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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2005, 12:45:56 PM »
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LOL - and this exemplifies what the rest of the world is up against as it tries to persuade America to sign up to the Kyoto Summit and reduce emissions caused by the burning of hydrocarbons. Having stuck my head above the parapet to say that, there are now two knee jerk responses I await from the other side of the pond:
  • "This is America - our gas guzzling vehicles are a tradition and represent our 'freedom' which you guys don't have..."
  • "12mpg is economical to us because we don't pay $6/gallon..."
OK, fine. It may be "economical" in terms of cash outlay at the pump, combined with the reduced purchase price of the vehicle, but not in terms of the volume of crude oil which must be wrung out of the earth to run it. In the ROTW (rest of the world - ie outside North America, but not including oil rich states in the Middle East)  oil products are rightly considered to be a precious commodity and are priced accordingly. I'm not saying that the motorist should be treated as the goose which must lay golden eggs for his nation's treasury, but I do support measures which steer people away from gas guzzlers and towards more thrifty vehicles. In the EU, countries like Austria and Italy have it about right. Their diesel is taxed much less than petrol/gas, with the result that 60% of cars in those countries are diesel. That means that the fuel needs of the motoring public can be met using a much smaller volume of crude oil than would otherwise be the case.

And American motorists could be dissuaded from driving vehicles which commit such profligate waste as those grandiose SUVs: I don't buy the argument that folks "need" such vehicles as those. Indeed, as Storch found, there was a glut of around 60 of those monsters unsold on his dealer's lot - that's 60 motorists who did not buy one, but presumably bought something more frugal instead.

One day people will realise the importance of conservation of oil and other natural resources, instead of taking them for granted and pooh-poohing the ROTW for holding a different point of view.

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They arent priced as a precious commodity, they are taxed that way.  There is very little variance in US and Euro gas prices, taxes make the ridiculous difference!

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« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2005, 12:57:53 PM »
exactly... beetle is asking that those who use gasoline be punished for... for what?  He want's them taxed punitively... he wants that tax to go to the government to make the government stronger and more intrusive...  soooo...

let's say.... a new power source is found... it would be cheap or free and polute not an iota...  what is beetles government gonna do?

They are all now gas tax junkies...  they live off gas tax that powers their programs.... How will they now pay for their socialism?   Even higher income tax?

What are these high tax countries doing with the gas tax?   are they using it all to develop new power sources?   We don't have any such tax and we are developing power sources at least as quickly as them.... when a new one is found.... we won't need to make up near the shortfall they will.

I suppose that our income tax is too low for their likeing too... they probly think we need to fund the U.N or some such nonsence....  why is more and more and more government allways the answer with the socialists no matter how economicaly unsound it is allways proven to be?

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« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2005, 01:54:02 PM »
Lazs, you silly sausage - you've got me all wrong. I am not a socialist! I have never voted Labour in my entire life. I'm a card carrying member of the Conservative Party - remember? The Thatcher bunch - remember those touching scenes of Margaret dancing cheek to cheek with Ronnie?

I don't want anyone to be taxed punitively - I have never believed in the politics of high taxation. That's what the fight is all about right now in British politics.  You must moderate your black/white view that anyone who is not in favour of unfettered gun distribution is a "socialist".

But I believe, for example, that the price of diesel fuel should reflect its production cost as is the case in most EU countries I've driven in since the beginning of 2004, those being Portugal, France, Holland, Germany, Austria and Italy. In at least some of those countries, diesel usage is encouraged by lower duty on that fuel. In France, the annual car licensing thingy - the "vignette" - favours frugal cars. (straffo might be able to add detail)

But I've got no sympathy with the wallets of those drivers who purchase a 12mpg vehicle and then whine about the price of gas, or who drive in a reckless manner thus endangering the lives of anyone using the same road at the same time, whether they admit to it or not.

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« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2005, 01:59:29 PM »
I don't know beetle, my toyota tacoma (compact pick up truck) is averaging 18mpg.  in comparisson I see 12mpg as very reasonable for a 3 ton vehicle.  plus the monster just plainly flies with an almost immediate throttle response.  i'm very impressed with this truck and may buy another for myself even though i'm not up for another new truck for four more years.  even if fuel does increase again it's worth it to me.  furthermore i don't mind us hogging up all the world's energy because we're Americans and we deserve all your resources.  viva boosh, go get'm tiger.

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« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2005, 03:49:39 PM »
$2.14 here for regular, diesel is still around $2.60 though.  I heard gas prices were about 5 US cents in Iraq though, even though they hardly have any refineries and it has to be shipped out of country and back in.  Guess who fronts the bill?
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« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2005, 05:10:37 PM »
My store is 100 miles west of Dallas. I price match 2 compeditors down the street. It's $2.13 right now.
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« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2005, 05:18:41 PM »
The last two times I filled my truck it was under two dollars.  (1.99 and 1.97) I blame Bush.
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« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2005, 05:53:56 PM »
$2.39 here in WA state but a democrat who rode on the campaign promise of not raising taxes and literally stole the election last year recently increased our gas tax...soooooo...