Author Topic: gasoline prices (Read 2337 times)

storch · « **Reply #45 on:** November 26, 2005, 03:00:33 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
You're a doofus. I know all about Japanese makes being made in other countries. I used to work for Honda UK (1990-92), remember. In addition there are Toyota and Nissan which have vehicle manufacture plants here.

do they drive on the wrong side of the road and have bad radiator grills?

beet1e · « **Reply #46 on:** November 26, 2005, 03:03:49 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
do they drive on the wrong side of the road and have bad radiator grills?

In Japan, they drive on the left in cars with the steering wheel on the right, just as in the UK. This came in handy when I had the two Toyotas I bought - the indicators were on the right not the left. I never had any problems with the radiator grilles of my Japanese cars.

storch · « **Reply #47 on:** November 26, 2005, 03:07:01 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
In Japan, they drive on the left in cars with the steering wheel on the right, just as in the UK. This came in handy when I had the two Toyotas I bought - the indicators were on the right not the left. I never had any problems with the radiator grilles of my Japanese cars.

good news then. I thought that since all you anglanders had bad teeth then the cars you produced would have bad grills.

beet1e · « **Reply #48 on:** November 26, 2005, 03:29:23 PM »

Well no, you're wrong about that. I have a dental checkup every 6 months, and have not had to have a tooth drilled since 1988. Maybe you need to review the sources of your "facts"?

JTs · « **Reply #49 on:** November 26, 2005, 09:14:06 PM »

RPM
are you on I-10 or I-20? I get thru texas alot and buy about 200-300 gallons of diesel each time. 800 horsepower cats use alot of fuel. would rather support your store than the big chain truckstops. do you take t-check?
JT

beet1e · « **Reply #50 on:** November 26, 2005, 09:58:26 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
answer me... Do you realize that higher gas prices are only the effect of more tax?

No, I don't agree with that. As was explained in detail in one of the other gas price threads, the price is driven by demand. The price could be lower if demand was reduced, so you guys are shooting yourselves in the foot by driving 12mpg guzzlers.

Looking at Storch's example, gas where he lives is now $2.69 down from a peak of $3.23. Average mileage per annum is about 12,000. Therefore a 12mpg gas guzzler will use 1000 gallons of gas each year. The annual cost of that now where Storch lives: $2690, down from $3230 at the post Katrina peak.

What we can see from this is that 60 potential buyers of 12mpg guzzlers like the one Mrs. Storch now drives were dissuaded from buying one when faced with an increase in running costs of $540 per annum, and that's just at the ONE dealership where storch goes. $540, dare I say it, is a pittance - and a price worth paying to see a dramatic reduction in America's over dependence on oil. So if said gas guzzlers were to be surcharged by a fuel wastage penalty of $540 on the sticker price, I'd say that was a fair deal

And... if demand for gas could be brought down, then the price would come down too - and that would benefit everyone, not just in terms of cost, but in terms of reduced greenhouse gases and consumption of valuable natural resources. But... when the ROTW tries to explain that to Americans (eg. Kyoto summit), we're accused of being "socialists".

Ripsnort · « **Reply #51 on:** November 26, 2005, 10:14:40 PM »

I dunno Beet. Alot of folks in America are 2,3, even 4 car families. Some use econo-boxes for commuting, and the gas guzzlers for other purposes. The Gas Guzzling trucks *do* have a purpose in America, since we have such a large island with so much to do, like the one that pulls my 21 ft. boat and carries my 11.5 camper so that I can put smiles on the faces of the next American generation.

Now please kindly take my Global Warmer out of your proverbial crosshairs.

storch · « **Reply #52 on:** November 26, 2005, 10:29:23 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
No, I don't agree with that. As was explained in detail in one of the other gas price threads, the price is driven by demand. The price could be lower if demand was reduced, so you guys are shooting yourselves in the foot by driving 12mpg guzzlers.

Looking at Storch's example, gas where he lives is now $2.69 down from a peak of $3.23. Average mileage per annum is about 12,000. Therefore a 12mpg gas guzzler will use 1000 gallons of gas each year. The annual cost of that now where Storch lives: $2690, down from $3230 at the post Katrina peak.

What we can see from this is that 60 potential buyers of 12mpg guzzlers like the one Mrs. Storch now drives were dissuaded from buying one when faced with an increase in running costs of $540 per annum, and that's just at the ONE dealership where storch goes. $540, dare I say it, is a pittance - and a price worth paying to see a dramatic reduction in America's over dependence on oil. So if said gas guzzlers were to be surcharged by a fuel wastage penalty of $540 on the sticker price, I'd say that was a fair deal

And... if demand for gas could be brought down, then the price would come down too - and that would benefit everyone, not just in terms of cost, but in terms of reduced greenhouse gases and consumption of valuable natural resources. But... when the ROTW tries to explain that to Americans (eg. Kyoto summit), we're accused of being "socialists".

gas was $2.29 at my last fill'mup. frau storch drives roughly 7 miles per day for an approximation of 2600 miles annually. I'll spend more money on detailing that vehicle than I will on fuel. I know this is not the average and your numbers are quite accurate but personally my response to the SUV's fuel consumption was and is "pffft"(it's up to 12.4 mpg now). now about those "greenhouses" beet1e, I think I've already explained to you on a previous occasion that our superior AMERICAN greenhouses are properly constructed and diligently maintained. eg. there are no "greenhouse gases" escaping into the atmosphere from this country. see to your own flimsily constructed greenhouses. any "greenhouse gases" found over North America have no doubt escaped from those notoriously inefficient mexican and canadian greenhouses.

beet1e · « **Reply #53 on:** November 26, 2005, 10:58:21 PM »

Ripsnort - I'm sure your boat is very nice. But based on your other text, you seem to be assuming that only America has boats and therefore only America needs the vehicles that can tow them. Here's a nice pic of the River Thames, about 5 miles from where I live. And yes we do have the vehicles that can tow them, hence the various slipways to be found in the area.

Storch - so your wife does 50 miles a week and uses a 3-tonne 12mpg V8 monster to do it? Does she tow a boat as well?

BTW I'm no eco-angel - I remember the days when I used to piss away 100 litres of Avgas on a Saturday afternoon travelling over to Le Touquet in France for lunch at Les Escales...

FuBaR · « **Reply #54 on:** November 27, 2005, 01:59:10 AM »

Mission Viejo...southern california, may not be the worst...definate suck though.

lazs2 · « **Reply #55 on:** November 27, 2005, 11:18:11 AM »

sheesh.... gas costs what it costs... the cheaper the better... gouging is illegal and tax on gas is immoral... If it get's too expensive then we will either find more or use something else..

In the meantime drive whatever you like and can afford.

lazs

beet1e · « **Reply #56 on:** November 28, 2005, 08:08:03 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
sheesh.... gas costs what it costs... the cheaper the better... gouging is illegal and tax on gas is immoral... If it get's too expensive then we will either find more or use something else..

In the meantime drive whatever you like and can afford.

One thing that might lead to cheaper gas is if demand was reduced. Hardly likely where people think it's right and proper to drive 12mpg gas guzzlers, which they consider to be "pretty economical". ^

The price is governed by the laws of supply and demand, Lazs. To use a somewhat laughable hypothetical example (but one which our wise and mutual friend Mr. Toad assures me could be applied in practice) imagine if all car drivers switched to horses and carts. The demand for oil would take a nose dive. The people selling the oil would have so much they wouldn't know what to do with it, and would have to reduce its price drastically to sell it at all.

Conversely, if we continue to boost the demand for oil by wasting it, the price will be high and will climb higher. Oil and gas are bought on world markets, and what we have to remember is that China's total energy demand is forecast to grow at 3.2 per cent a year over the next 20 years. The northern hemisphere is just entering winter: Let's see what happens to oil prices in the next 2-3 months...

The more we waste, the more it will cost.

Ripsnort seems to think that some sort of monster V8 truck is needed to tow a 21ft boat. This, of course, is bollocks. 21ft? Pffft... I used to tow a 30ft glider trailer behind my car which had a 1.8 litre petrol engine, and there was no problem. My aunt and uncle had two cruise boats, and as far as I know they did not need anything other than an ordinary car to tow them. Still, I'm talking European cars here.

lazs2 · « **Reply #57 on:** November 28, 2005, 08:22:34 AM »

Ok... so supply and demand guide gas prices... except in your country where it is mostly tax of course...

So you are saying that my cars are making gas more expensive for you? So what?

What are you gonna do about it, ban my cars? Tax em? See... that is what it all comes down too... If it is something you take an interest in like gas prices... all of a sudden you want to mess with the free market.

How do you know that using a lot of gas is not a good thing? conserving only lets the oil companies continue as they have been... let's use the stuff up or force em to find more and get on with it.

Using a lot of fuel hastens the solution... if you are conserving then you are part of the problem.

oh... and so far as towing.... Have you ever towed anything up a...... mountain?

lazs

beet1e · « **Reply #58 on:** November 28, 2005, 08:40:04 AM »

Lazs

Either you are being deliberately obtuse, or you don't know what you're talking about. I suspect the answer is both. There's no point in continuing.

Toodle Pip.

lazs2 · « **Reply #59 on:** November 28, 2005, 08:56:15 AM »

especially since you have no arguement?

do you believe that gas prices and consumption should be government regulated in order to save you money?

lazs