Author Topic: about Lancasters (Read 2897 times)

gatt · « **Reply #75 on:** December 14, 2005, 12:27:42 PM »

Dang, since TOD #67 you are probably flying with another nick ....

Krusty · « **Reply #76 on:** December 14, 2005, 12:31:24 PM »

what shocked me when I looked this up is that Ihave more b24 kills than I do la7s and spit16s, but more la7s/spit16s than I do lancasters.

HoHun · « **Reply #77 on:** December 14, 2005, 03:03:35 PM »

Hi Gatt,

>From the 190A-8 Handbook I have it seems that the A-8/R1 had the inner MG151/20's harmonization at 550mt and the crossover at 600mt, but the other pair(s) (gondolas or outer) had the crossover at 800 and/or 900mt.

Roger, I confused the guns!

To sum up the posts by all contributors, it seems that in Aces High, the perfect fire control combined with low dispersion and side-slipping evasives make bombers a more difficult target than one could expect in real life?

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Krusty · « **Reply #78 on:** December 14, 2005, 03:44:50 PM »

HoHun, that might be so, but I would add a comment to the summary:

I find making attacks on a turning bomber easier and safer, as I can get cannon shells "over" the bomber and toward the cockpit for a better chance at a kill shot. If I'm in a rear angle aspect and he turns toward me it gives me a better shot. I also feel more confident that I will be harder to hit while the bomber is manuvering, due to the movement of the bomber itself. I think those temper the benefits somewhat.

HoHun · « **Reply #79 on:** December 14, 2005, 04:15:24 PM »

Hi Krusty,

>I also feel more confident that I will be harder to hit while the bomber is manuvering, due to the movement of the bomber itself.

Very interesting thought! In games with computer gunners, defensive fire usually stays accurate no matter what the platform does, so the aspect you mention had completely escaped me. So here we have a realistic aspect of having humans man the guns :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Karnak · « **Reply #80 on:** December 14, 2005, 04:16:50 PM »

I remember a fight just after the Bf109E-4 had been added. I was RTB in a Ki-67 when a Bf109E-4 bounced me. I was already pinged up a bit, but the Bf109E-4's 7.92mm guns quickly killed all of my remaining gunners except the right waist gunner. I fought the Bf109 from the waist position with the rudder as far over as I could get it so as to bring my last gun to bear on the Bf109 parked behind me. I doubt I would have won if the Ki-67's waist guns weren't in those blisters giving them better arcs of fire. I think that is the only fighter I have ever shot down with a waist gun in AH.

Angus · « **Reply #81 on:** December 14, 2005, 05:58:12 PM »

Well, the LW found the US bombers somewhat difficult to approach from behind, so they reverted to HO tactics, the US reverted to heavier frontal armament and so on.
Not nice facing 50 cals with the wind on their side, so I sort of understand the frustration of those who try to lob a formation of B17's with their 30mm's, - even Lancasters for that sake.
And Krusty, - after all a slowly turning bomber offers a lot larger area to hit

Bruno · « **Reply #82 on:** December 14, 2005, 06:28:46 PM »

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If he has a gunner (an additional player who has 'joined' his bomber') its been my experience that harsh maneuvering makes them lethal but a more difficult target to hit. I actually had a single lanc (the other 2 having been killed) split esse at 5000ft and pull out, I couldn't due to excess speed.

I mispoke in the above, it should read:

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If he has a gunner (an additional player who has 'joined' his bomber') its been my experience that harsh maneuvering makes them less lethal but a more difficult target to hit. I actually had a single lanc (the other 2 having been killed) split esse at 5000ft and pull out, I couldn't due to excess speed.

Less lethal meaning the gunner has a harder time zeroing in on the attacker. That is why I mentioned the small manuevers like a sliding (slipping?) with the rudder. With the cone of fire from the 3 bomber formation the gunner can adjust his aim for such small manuvers. For an attacker at longer ranges its hard to spot the slide.

I never chase bomber personally, usually when I see them they are low and about 50 other guys are spraying at them. The guy with Hispanos typically always wins (gets the kill)...

gatt · « **Reply #83 on:** December 15, 2005, 12:59:19 AM »

As far as HO attacks are concerned it would be interesting to know how many bombers fell down (or left the formation damaged) after the first HO attack, and how many after the (I guess) following attacks from 5-7 o'clock. I guess it was quite dificult to reform and reposition for a second HO attack.

In AH, hard manoeuvering bombers (so not with rudder only) usually cannot fire back. So, if it happens you are slow, you can follow them and fire all over the fuselage, as Krusty rightly says.

Angus, I'd say more dangerous than frustrating. The feel of a 30mm kill in fact is much more rewarding than any 2x or 4xMG151/20