Australian Hanged for drug smuggling

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by lazs2


as for addiction... certain people are addictive no matter what...  but.. drugs don't instantly addict.   You can do heroin for weeks if you have no prediliction for addiction and you can stop instantly.... I have done it.

Like I said... anyone who wants to try any drug in the world is not being stopped by the war on drugs.   That is just the fact.

lazs

You are certainlly right.  The war on drugs is another failure of our govt.   I just dont think making them available to the pubic is the right answer.  Perhaps a prescription program for recreation use  or something.  Man, you gotta be crazy trying heroin.  What good could possibly come of that?  If you like it, that demon will be calling for the rest of your life?

[Meatwad]

Why cant the US have laws like that. The judicial system here is too weak.

[fartwinkle]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Wow, I bow to your far superior logic that says it ok to get smashed off your face and totally beyond control and then expects that person to maintain enough control to not hurt anyone else or put them at risk.

Try again einstein.

Well here is a prime example of someone showing there stupidity.
Anyone with half a brain can see that what I was saying that yes indeed you have a right to get smashed if you like.
But you dont have the right to endanger others for the sake of your fun.

How could anyone see it as anything else is beyond me:rolleyes:

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by fartwinkle
Well here is a prime example of someone showing there stupidity.
Anyone with half a brain can see that what I was saying that yes indeed you have a right to get smashed if you like.
But you dont have the right to endanger others for the sake of your fun.

How could anyone see it as anything else is beyond me:rolleyes:

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[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Seagoon
....The best article on the total failure of Holland's 23 year "experiment" I first read on a board dedicated to liberalizing drug laws.  It's Available here: Holland's Half-Baked Drug Experiment...

I'm sure with a title like that it is a scholarly unbiased look at the facts.

[Bodhi]

I am glad they hung him.

They should do the same thing here in the states.

People need to stop codling these drug smugglers and dealers and realise that:

A: Drugs Kill.

B: Drugs Ruin Lives.

C: Drugs Cause Crime.

[fartwinkle]

Originally posted by Bodhi
I am glad they hung him.

They should do the same thing here in the states.

People need to stop codling these drug smugglers and dealers and realise that:

A: Drugs Kill.

B: Drugs Ruin Lives.

C: Drugs Cause Crime.

And if you make drugs leagal there goes the drug crime.
If drugs are going to be illegal then why isnt booze and smokes? they kill more people than drugs do.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Tobacco is on the fastlane to becoming banned. Alcohol may cause more problems than drugs. Then again alcohol comsumption kills far more people than  the occasional cases of methanol served as alcohol. With your logic serving methanol should be legalized untill the death toll exceeds that of alcohol.

With someone elses logic one might say that methanol is thousand-fold more hazardous and should never be served to anyone for consumption.

Narcotics serve no purpose outside of destroying people's lives. They should not be tolerated on any level. I'm appalled of the amount of people on this board confessing the use of soft narcotics and surprised of the amount who did hard ones. Aces High.. but what kind of High was HT thinking about in the end?

[mora]

Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
With your logic serving methanol should be legalized untill the death toll exceeds that of alcohol.

AFAIK no one is drinking methanol in any other purpose than suicide, and it's pretty unpredictable in that use. Some people are suggesting legalizing some or all drugs, the logic is that them being illegal makes more harm than good. Those drugs are usually used in large numbers, while methanol isn't.

The percentage of people on this board who have used illegal drugs is likely somewhere around the average of the western world ~30%.

[Skilless]

Originally posted by mora
The percentage of people on this board who have used illegal drugs is likely somewhere around the average of the western world ~30%.

I don't know about this board but I know a lot higher than 30% have tried cannibus.  There are few people that I know that haven't tried it.  How could these stats about illegal drug use possibly be accurate?  Nobodies going to own up to breaking the law.  You would have no idea how many people you interact with everyday that are regular pot smokers.

[mora]

Originally posted by Skilless
I don't know about this board but I know a lot higher than 30% have tried cannibus.  There are few people that I know that haven't tried it.  How could these stats about illegal drug use possibly be accurate?  Nobodies going to own up to breaking the law.  You would have no idea how many people you interact with everyday that are regular pot smokers.

If you're a college student then you might get that perception. Statistics include people of all ages. Also drug use is more common in the US than in other countries. It's twice as common there as it is here for example. Also 30% was just my personal approximation based on what I've seen in different statistics, not a fact.

[lazs2]

some people will not try drugs that are regulated wihout a doctors advise no matter what...

There are plenty of people who have never tried booze.... many more who have, and then never tried it again or only in extreme moderation like once a year or even less and even then... not to excess.

A lot of people, like myself dislike the high from pot... it simply makes you stupid and wimpy.

as for heroin and trying it?  sheesh... in the hospital they gave me morphine for 3 days straight...  still do I believe... heroin does not instantly addict.. unless you are predispossed.  

Some form of legalization would cut crime.     If it is a "failure of our government" then it is a failure of every government since no government I know if has completely legal and free drugs.

Some form of legalization would be like the sale at pharmacies of drugs cheaply.   Free addiction help and addicts would be made to do community service for their foodstamps and welfare.  Most would not have a drivers licence or be able to work... I don't want a pot head running a backhoe while I am in the hole for instance...  I don't want his idiotic grinning husk on the freeway driving either.

lazs

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by fartwinkle
And if you make drugs leagal there goes the drug crime.
If drugs are going to be illegal then why isnt booze and smokes? they kill more people than drugs do.

Instead of just spewing out the first random thought that comes to your mind, think before you type.

Regardless of whether drugs are legal or not, there will always be crime.  You neglect to see the wonderful habits that go along with drug addicts.  Namely, lack of jobs/meaningful employment and therefore lack of money to continue to purchase said drugs.  While this is not entirely the case with all addicts / users, it is faster becoming the case as the new drugs that arrive on seen get more powerful, and more devastating to the body and mind.

As for cigarettes and alcohol, we'll see.  Cigarettes will more than likely be banned in almost all places except your home, unless you have minor children living there.  I doubt alcohol will be banned in our lifetimes.

[fartwinkle]

Originally posted by Bodhi
Instead of just spewing out the first random thought that comes to your mind, think before you type.

Regardless of whether drugs are legal or not, there will always be crime.  You neglect to see the wonderful habits that go along with drug addicts.  Namely, lack of jobs/meaningful employment and therefore lack of money to continue to purchase said drugs.  While this is not entirely the case with all addicts / users, it is faster becoming the case as the new drugs that arrive on seen get more powerful, and more devastating to the body and mind.

As for cigarettes and alcohol, we'll see.  Cigarettes will more than likely be banned in almost all places except your home, unless you have minor children living there.  I doubt alcohol will be banned in our lifetimes.

Not just spewing off as you say.
I am simply pointing out the Hypocrisy in this.
All of these things can kill you and cause you to commit crimes.
Just look at the drunk driving deaths alone in this country.

And ciggs? LOL well you have to look no further than the prison system to see how they are used as a form of payment.

My point is this why are some things against they law and others are not?
Clearly they all can harm you and serve no purpose in society.

In the case of booze what we hear is moderation and responsable drinking.
Well ok I submit moderation and responsable pot smoking or herion shooting.

In my warped little ming I see no difference between the three.

[Seagoon]

Hi Holden,

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I'm sure with a title like that it is a scholarly unbiased look at the facts.

The article was initially published in Foriegn Affairs Magazine. Collins himself doesn't have a dog in this particular fight. He's a journalist and author specializing in social history, not an administration anti-drug maven. I believe the article title was intended to be witty and get people to read the article.

If Foreign Affairs follows the pattern of publishing I'm aware of, an editor at the magazine, and not the author determines the title. Just as a for instance, of all the articles I've had published, I've only been able to set the title for one of them.  

Anyway, give the article a read, and then give me your critique.