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Offline Yeager

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« on: December 01, 2005, 06:26:23 PM »
seems pretty darned harsh to me.  Its not like the guy killed a child or anything....

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/12/01/australia.singapore.reut/index.html
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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2005, 06:34:35 PM »
Wow.


Someone finally getting a real punishment for comitting a crime.  Singapore is now on my cool list.
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2005, 06:46:10 PM »
I'm not sure how I feel about this, pretty harsh punishment.  My brother has been to singapor many times and says it's one of the cleanest places he's ever been to.

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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2005, 06:55:16 PM »
I agree...I mean whats a little heroin between friends.  

Don't feel sorry for him at all, heroin has runied way to many lives

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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2005, 07:12:48 PM »
It may be considered pretty harsh punishment, but the laws are on the books.  If one chooses to ignore or be ignorant of the laws, well, sorry.

Wasn't it in Singapore some years ago that some guy was caned for valdizing cars or something?  People were in an outrage about that.  But once again, the laws were on the books.  If you do not like the laws, either move, refrain from passing through places with laws that don't suit your whacked perception of how things should be, or follow the laws.
Simple really.

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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2005, 07:47:12 PM »
Singapore is one of my favorite places on earth to visit. If it wasn't for the Switzerland sized cost of living it would be perfect, the food is some of the best in Asia and it really has a wonderful blend of the best of Asian and British culture, I seriously considered doing a church plant there in late 90s.

Admittedly, the laws, like those of Malaysia and China (the two main ethnic communities on the Island) are strict. Westerners who are used to lax laws tend to find them to be a bit much, but everyone generally admits that things like Violent Crime, Litering and the like are virtually non-existent on the Island. Also, while the punishments tend to be harsh, I found few examples where real rights were restricted or eliminated. Generally, if you aren't actually involved in crime and you can afford to live there, you aren't going to have many problems in Singapore.

In the case of Nguyen Tuong Van, he was admittedly smuggling several hundred thousand dollars worth of heroin for dealers, and as someone has already pointed out, that would probably have worked out to several ODs and quite a few ruined lives.

Having known guys who did similar stupid things (I roomed with a guy in University who had made cash to travel the world by smuggling gold and drugs between Myanmar and Hong Kong) I've found that smugglers generally realize that the penalty for their actions in most SE Asian countries is going to be death or a long time rotting in jail, but choose to go for the money anway.

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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2005, 07:48:47 PM »
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Originally posted by Donzo
It may be considered pretty harsh punishment, but the laws are on the books.  If one chooses to ignore or be ignorant of the laws, well, sorry.

Wasn't it in Singapore some years ago that some guy was caned for valdizing cars or something?  People were in an outrage about that.  But once again, the laws were on the books.  If you do not like the laws, either move, refrain from passing through places with laws that don't suit your whacked perception of how things should be, or follow the laws.
Simple really.


yea it was a teenager and he was spray painting cars.  My friends dad was a LT.Col. in the Army and told us once "in Turkey, if the police catch you drinking and driving the pull you out of the car and put a bullet in your head,  THEY DONT HAVE A DUI PROBLEM"  This may or may not be true but it was funny the way he said it.

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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2005, 08:13:10 PM »
Why would anyone want to transport drugs to Singapore... After all, even I (from here far off, never been there) have heard that they hang every drug courier. It even says so on their (Singapore customs) web page:

WARNING:

DEATH FOR DRUG TRAFFICKERS UNDER SINGAPORE LAW.


Doesn't leave much room for negotiations, does it?

Edit: Well said, Seagoon.
« Last Edit: December 01, 2005, 08:15:24 PM by Panzzer »
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2005, 08:22:24 PM »
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My friends dad was a LT.Col. in the Army and told us once "in Turkey, if the police catch you drinking and driving the pull you out of the car and put a bullet in your head,  THEY DONT HAVE A DUI PROBLEM"  This may or may not be true but it was funny the way he said it.


Maybe in the past, however I believe the times have changed over there.
They'd never have a slightest chance to apply to EU if they'd shoot drunk drivers.
...of course it's just a minor problem if the prisoners gets abused.

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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2005, 08:26:54 PM »
Smuggled drugs into country that kills people for smuggling drugs, got caught, got killed.  Yep, sounds about right.
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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2005, 08:27:49 PM »
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Maybe in the past, however I believe the times have changed over there.
They'd never have a slightest chance to apply to EU if they'd shoot drunk drivers.
...of course it's just a minor problem if the prisoners gets abused.


Yea this was probably more of the 70's than recent.  Like I said it was how he said it that was funny.

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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2005, 08:30:37 PM »
The policy in most Asian countries around that area is the same. Everyone here, and everyone in Aussie knows it.

The guy is actually Vietnamese, on an Aussie passport. He did it because his brother got in debt with some Vietnamese gang in Australia, and was about to get kneecapped. That was his excuse, he did it for his brother - which btw, removes all doubt of guilt.

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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2005, 08:34:04 PM »
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It may be considered pretty harsh punishment, but the laws are on the books.  If one chooses to ignore or be ignorant of the laws, well, sorry.

 


Feel sorry for the person who has drugs put in there suitecase without there knowledge:confused:


It happends more than you know thats why they ask you at the counter has you suitecase been in your sight the whole time?

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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2005, 08:38:34 PM »
Another thing thats always bugged me.
Why are drugs illegal? tobaco and booze kill far more people than drugs do so why are they still here ? Oh thats right there heavly taxed.

You know its legall for a woman to abort her child saying she has a right to her body.
Well then why cant someone if there dumb enough to shoot herion its there body.

And if you made it legal crime drug crime would all but go away as there would be no need for the illegal stuff.

Simplistic? you bet but it does warrant some thinking.

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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2005, 08:43:18 PM »
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Another thing thats always bugged me.
Why are drugs illegal? tobaco and booze kill far more people than drugs do so why are they still here ? Oh thats right there heavly taxed.

You know its legall for a woman to abort her child saying she has a right to her body.
Well then why cant someone if there dumb enough to shoot herion its there body.

And if you made it legal crime drug crime would all but go away as there would be no need for the illegal stuff.

Simplistic? you bet but it does warrant some thinking.


Would you employ a crack addict? Theres a big difference in someones productivity who goes for a smoke every couple of hours to someone whos shooting up every few hours.

Same goes for alcohol, generally its limited in its scope of effects. Even so, those that abuse it end up in the same boat as drug users, ie, unemployed, turn to crime etc.

\You're comparing apples and oranges. Legalizing hardcore drugs will not make the associated problems disappear, it'll just make the problem grow.