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Offline Karnak

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« on: December 02, 2005, 03:03:08 PM »
What are all the foreign aircraft that the US has used in official service in a combat theater?

I can think of:

French:
Spad VII and XIII

Any Nieuports?

British:
Mosquito PR.IV and PR.XVI
Spitfire Mk V, IX and VIII

and kinda Harrier II


Any others?
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2005, 03:10:52 PM »
416th NFS used Beaufighter Mk.IVFs and Mk.VIIIs.
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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2005, 03:18:30 PM »
Canberra medium bomber in veitnam

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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2005, 03:57:28 PM »
Apart from the Spads, the AEF used SE5As and Nieuport 28s.

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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2005, 04:03:47 PM »
DHC-4 Caribous were used in Vietnam.

I remember seeing one nasty pic where one got it's tail shot off by friendly artillery fire as it was taking off from a forward field.

I don't know if you count Air America's actions in the SEA as "official" or not but they used many De Havilland Canada's products among other foreign aircraft.

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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2005, 04:04:10 PM »
Depends on if you count Air America or not :P [EDIT: Wmaker beat me to it]

Don't forget the F-21 for the Navy (Licensed built Mirage I think, used for DACT).

From what I understand the spitVs with stars and bars weren't flown by americans. They just didn't want to get shot down by "us stupid yanks" :P

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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2005, 04:23:27 PM »
"Any Nieuports?"


Some of our pilots (including Rickenbacker) were flying Nieuports prior to being re-equipped with SPADs.  I believe they were Nieuport 11's but they may have been a later model.  The Nieuports were universally despised as flimsy and unreliable.


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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2005, 05:12:33 PM »
J_A_B I don't think it's was a 11 but more likely a 27 or a 28.

As all Nieuports the upper wing fabric had tendancy to live it's own life :)

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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2005, 05:14:54 PM »
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Originally posted by J_A_B
"Any Nieuports?"


Some of our pilots (including Rickenbacker) were flying Nieuports prior to being re-equipped with SPADs.  I believe they were Nieuport 11's but they may have been a later model.  The Nieuports were universally despised as flimsy and unreliable.


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Originally, the USAS in WWI used SPAD VII's, Nieuport 28's, Sopwith Camels and SE.5's.  SPAD XIII's (which became the standard fighter in USAS service) were in short supply as the French initially had difficulty building enough to equip their own squadrons and the other allied air forces that used them.  Only a handful of squadrons flew the SPAD VII, Camels and SE.5's - the majority were equipped with Nieuport 28's until they were replaced by SPAD XIII's.

All the Nieuports were generally very maneuverable air-craft (classic turn-fighters) that suffered from weak wings.  However, they were the favourite of many Allied aces and the British thought highly of them and they were literally on the sharp end of the RFC during Bloody April - being on the sharp end against Richthofen's Jasta and flying more sorties than other RFC types, they also took the lion's share of the losses but they were also the planes which scored the lion's share of the kills in the RFC in this period.

The Germans also thought highly of them, enough so that they ordered their aircraft manufacturers to copy them.  The Siemens-Schuckert D. I was a direct copy of the Nieuport 11 but with a more powerful engine.  However, it was a disappointment since it used a metal frame as opposed to a wooden frame (wood from trees native to Germany were ill-suited for aircraft construction) which weighed it down - by the time the Siemens entered service, it was already obsolete.  The "V" strut construction of the early Nieuports was copied in the Albatros D. III and Albatros D. V - this improved the downward visibility of those aircraft compared the parallel strutted D. II but also resulted in weak wings which the planes tended to shed in steep dives (as in the Nieuport).

Basically, it wasn't despised - you just couldn't dive hard with it and expect to survive.  They were all classic turn 'n burn fighters.  They weren't boom and zoomers like the S.E. 5's and SPAD's.

The only Americans that flew the earlier Nieuports (Nieuport 11 and onwards) with the volunteers who flew in the Escadrille Lafayette and in the RFC.  The Escadrille Lafayette later became the 103rd USAS squadron and flew SPAD VII's.
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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2005, 05:21:10 PM »
Krusty,

At least some Spit Vs were flown by the USAAF.  I know our first squandron to get over there had trained on P-39s and arrived a couple of weeks before their P-39s did.  They were worried about going into combat against the Luftwaffe in them and much to their delight the British handed over a bunch of Spit Vs in reverse Lend-Lease and they never had to fly the P-39 against the Luftwaffe.

Thanks for the WWI data.  It is not my strong point, but it was a very interesting time period for military aviation.
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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2005, 05:24:12 PM »
C-23 Sherpa version of the Shorts 330.
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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2005, 05:50:03 PM »
Maybe not combat but:-
DH-4
Avro Anson (license built)
English Electric Canberra (license built?)
BAe Hawk (goshawk)
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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2005, 06:47:52 PM »
Thanks for the info Straffo, Zarkov.  My knowledge on the later-model Nieuports is shaky at best.

My comment that the Nieuports were "despised" doesn't mean overall, just in the context of their use by the US in 1918.  I've not read an account from a pilot who liked one, and generally the US pilots seemed much happier with their SPAD XIII's.   If this is a case of "inaccurate history", by all means correct me (I eat this stuff up).  

Overall, the various models of Nieuports definately deserve their place as some of the Allies' best fighters through the middle of the war.


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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2005, 07:25:46 PM »
I know the Coast Guard currently flies 2 helicopters that were built overseas. The HH-65 Dolphin is French built, and the HH-68 Mako is Italian built. The Coast Guard is looking at the CASA-223(I think) twin turbo medium transport built in Spain. I think Lockheed has an agreement with CASA to build the plane here as the C-23 Spartan.
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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2005, 09:34:10 PM »
Krusty

I think the plane the Navy uses at TopGun is the Kifr, built in Isreal.


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