Author Topic: Myth or fact > F8F (Read 16133 times)

Crumpp · « **Reply #180 on:** December 10, 2005, 06:26:18 PM »

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However, I hope you saw my point.

Actually no I did not see any point to your post.

EXCEPT to troll.

You obviously have some knowledge:

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I am well aware of the pre-war competition between German aero companies. Heinkel, Junkers, Messerchmitt and FW, as well as others. And the Politics were dirty.

So your post is pretty pointless unless your objective was just to be a jerk.

All the best,

Crumpp

Grits · « **Reply #181 on:** December 10, 2005, 06:55:37 PM »

LMAO...have you ever noticed no matter what the original topic these threads turn into a weeny waving contest between the same 4-6 individuals that lasts for pages and pages.

Crumpp · « **Reply #182 on:** December 10, 2005, 07:14:42 PM »

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same 4-6 individuals

Maybe only 4-6 individuals have the knowledge to participate. There are plenty of lurkers who just read the threads to learn.

All the best,

Crumpp

ShortyDoowap · « **Reply #183 on:** December 10, 2005, 07:23:33 PM »

The Ki-43 Oscar inspired the 109v21 with BMW801 engine.

Crumpp · « **Reply #184 on:** December 10, 2005, 07:28:42 PM »

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The Ki-43 Oscar inspired the 109v21 with BMW801 engine.

I thought it inspired by this famous fighter:

All the best,

Crumpp

ShortyDoowap · « **Reply #185 on:** December 10, 2005, 08:00:30 PM »

On a side note...

If you ever played CFS1 or 2, someone made a 3D model with FM of Snoopy's doghouse with Snoopy on top. It was a riot. My son played the sim for hours using that thing.

Crumpp · « **Reply #186 on:** December 10, 2005, 08:10:45 PM »

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If you ever played CFS1 or 2, someone made a 3D model with FM of Snoopy's doghouse with Snoopy on top. It was a riot. My son played the sim for hours using that thing.

LOL,

Warbirds has Snoopy's Doghouse and a paperairplane.

The paperairplane is overmodeled though.

All the best,

Crumpp

hogenbor · « **Reply #187 on:** December 15, 2005, 06:01:25 AM »

I never have seen a picture of a radial engined Bf-109 derivative. Does anyone have more info on the v21? Performance, what kind of engine exactly, flight characteristics? Why didn't they continue with it?

In my ragged library I have a rather mediocre 109 book which nevertheless stated that there have been plans for a BMW 801 engined 109. Anybody know if anything came of that? Where there prototypes?

I am one of the lurkers btw and I love to learn, I hate the flamefests. Be nice please.

Edit: I read the posts a bit too quickly and I see now that the V21 eventually got a 801 engine. Still I'd like to know more about it.

bozon · « **Reply #188 on:** December 15, 2005, 08:01:29 AM »

I always found the Grumman F6F/F8F strange.
In the 2 years in which the Hellcat saw action is was barely modified. Only 2 models (day fighters if you don't count the N) with only minor improvements. They didn't even install a paddle blade prop on it like was done with the F4U and P47 and stayed with the old 3 blades.

I guess the reason was that the F6F was pretty darn good to begin with (for its time) and Grumman were too busy mass producing them. It was apparently good enough to last till the F8F was to be ready.

Bozon

F4UDOA · « **Reply #189 on:** December 15, 2005, 08:36:01 AM »

Bozon,

The F6F had a paddle blade prop, it just wasn't a 4 blade type. The 6501A-0 13" blade type was the original F6F-3 design. The F4U-1 started with the 14" toothpick type then moved to the same design as the F6F in late 1943 early 1944.

The F4U-4 used the same exact blade design except with 4 blades.

HoHun · « **Reply #190 on:** December 15, 2005, 03:42:59 PM »

Hi Hogenbar,

>I never have seen a picture of a radial engined Bf-109 derivative. Does anyone have more info on the v21? Performance, what kind of engine exactly, flight characteristics? Why didn't they continue with it?

The V21 was Werk-Nr. 1770, D-IFKW, powered by a Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp SCG. It looks like an Emil derivative in having rectangular wingtips, but the horizontal tail lacked the Emil's braces. The tail wheel was almost completely retractable. Wing span and gear track width probably were slightly increased due to the wider fuselage. The radial engine had a standard cowl with a ring of cowl flaps for cooling. The aircraft had a three-bladed propeller and no spinner. The oil cooler looked a bit like the standard Messerschmitt oil coolers, but of course there were no underwing radiators.

Despite the obvious similarity to a Me 109, the aircraft actually looks more like a Zero on a strict diet ;-)

It appears the project was not continued with because the prototype had poor handling characteristics, but I'd like to learn more about this project, too :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Pongo · « **Reply #191 on:** December 15, 2005, 09:04:22 PM »

Wow. what a cool 109 derivitive. Do we know if it had slatted wings?

As to the F180F. Of course they were influenced. So what?

Crumpp · « **Reply #192 on:** December 15, 2005, 09:12:55 PM »

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It is more like 1/2 than 3/4. The joint being at the outer kink.

You get that from your drawings?

All the best,

Crumpp

Kweassa · « **Reply #193 on:** December 15, 2005, 09:39:21 PM »

The Bf109V21

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Yuck!

Krusty · « **Reply #194 on:** December 15, 2005, 09:51:20 PM »

I read a blurb once that said the v21 was in response to the FW190, not the other way around. Messerschmitt wanted to see if the radical "new" engine setup would improve performance at all, and was disappointed and wholeheartedly washed his hands of it, leaving the radial idea to Focke Wulf.