Ta152C

[Krusty]

This isn't an axis vs allied flame posting TK, there was a quote that directly compared the H-1 to a specific spitfire, so I asked what those specs were. Nothing more.

EDIT: But, going back to the topic, I think you'd have to look for use/testing/deployment history on the C-0/C-1 to see when/where it might have seen combat.

As a side note, some sources claim 3x 30mm (1 in hub 2 in wing roots) but I believe they are wrong because I don't think the 30mm could be synchronized.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Larry
Come on I asked this already and its startings up already. Keep this thread on track.

Gotta turn the sensitivity meter down a bit.  Krusty asked about the Spit 19 and I answered.

You can have all the Luftwaffe planes that HTC is willing to model.  I hope they get to exactly the specs you think are correct.  I hope they unperk em all

I just can't get worked up about any of it, but I like learning what I can and sharing any info I have that might be helpful

[Wilbus]

What? Am I invisible? Did anyone actually read my first post?

The Jumo 213E was never really planned for the Ta152 C guys, it was considered an emergency backup.

The DB 603 LA was the engine that was suposed to be used, L would serve while the LA was under development.

Tests beds were flown with the E engine.

Jumo 213 E was used in the H versions.

Jumo 222 E was planned for a version (similair in apperence to the C) using a Laminar flow wing. The Jumo 222 E was capable of about 2,500hp without MW50 and 2,900 hp with MW50 for takeoff power. It had been used in smoe bomber programs near the end of the war but was never put in to large scale production.

Krusty, there were no C-1's delivered so unfortunaly it can't really be compared to the H0 or H1.

Larry, I wouldn't trust that page very much, they are wrong about the armament and ammunition amongst other things. The page is also based from three books from mid to late 60's and early 70. Non of which were dedicated to the Ta 152 or even late war 190's, only one infact, being dedicated to the Fw 190 at all, the two others were merly books about Germanies warplanes "over all".

 I sugest you read my first post instead.


And can people STFU about the spit already?

What part of

Please people dont turn this into another LW vs. everyone else.

was hard to understand?

What Larry asked for was a thread about the Ta152 C, info, specs, service records (if any). Numbers produced and wether it would be a suitable replacement for the H (which it won't be, it is like asking for a 190 D instead of a 190 A). He did NOT ask for spitfans to Hijack the thread.

[Krusty]

"Gotta turn the sensitivity meter down a bit. Krusty asked about the Spit 19 and I answered." <-- read that. Absorb it. There might be a message in there.


Wilbus, the C-1 was the production model, whether there were any delivered was another matter. It is very likely they were tested and/or encountered the enemy at some point in their testing. So even if they were not in a squadron, per se, they may fit the criteria HT has for planes in AH: That they saw combat.

As for you being invisible.. wtf? Dude, you made a helpful post. I read it. I'm sure everybody did. Nobody contradicted you! Nobody's saying "Why hasn't Wilbus posted yet?!?" Have we done anything wrong here? We assimilated the info and kept going, what's the crime?

[DoKGonZo]

I haven't found anything which says the 152C saw action, so that makes me tend to doubt HT will model it. For many obvious reasons.

[Wilbus]

Yes Krusty I know the C-1 was the production version, did I say it wasn't?

No you haven't done anything wrong, chill mate

My post about being invisible was ment towards the fact that people, afterwards kept disputing the facts that the C1 saw service and action with any kind of squadron or evaluation squadron. Those are and can only remain purly speculations untill some kind of records are actually found about it. To this date I know of no such records nor have I heard of anyone who does.

It is actually highly unlikely they ever saw combat.

As much as I'd like to see the plane in AH there really aren't any facts that can caulify it for AH.

Another thing, look at the performance of the Ta152 H-1 we have, like the performance, think it is representative of what you read about the Ta152 H-1? Think it is representative of this

The Ta 152 was my life insurance in the last days of the war.   Willi Reschke

?

Would you like a plane, with even less facts, charts, performance notes, details etc than the H1, to be added to AH?

I wouldn't.



One more thing, re-read some of my last "am I invisible" post again please, it has been edited and you answered to quick so stop pushing the reload button before I have time to look through my post!

[Larry]

Yea guppy but this is how it starts next thing you know. The next thing you know the whole thread is nothing about LW FMs are undermodeled.

I'm asking about any info because I tryed the Ta152 at 20K hunting the few bombers that go up that high and found it great for the job. Since then it has become my main ride, and ZG 1 has done a few high alt bomber intercept missions up to 20-25+K and it has been fun. Fun enough that Im ganna see if I can get 100+ kills in it. Kinda a pre ToD thing. But I really dont think it is even worth the 5-7 perks.

[Larry]

Btw I would love any pics you have if its not to much trouble.

[Krusty]

Of just the C or of the H as well?

[Larry]

Just the Ta152 in general Im starting to love this plane and what to know as much as a can about it and have some pics.

[Krusty]

An interesting read

I don't know if it's entirely accurate. It gives the old myth that Tas were flying cover for 262s while they landed/took off (and 190Ds did that, not Tas), and it says some Tas were used for Mistels -- I doubt that part. Otherwise some interesting stuff.

EDIT: Captured 152 before testing at the end of the war:
http://www.warbirdphotos.net/aviapix/Fighters/Fw190/luft65.jpg

Same or different one after testing:
http://www.warbirdphotos.net/aviapix/Fighters/Fw190/ta152.gif

RAF's 152 after testing:
http://www.warbirdphotos.net/aviapix/Fighters/Fw190/ta152h1.jpg

[Guppy35]

a few pics.  I'm guessing someone will probably question the accuracy of the captions.  I don't know if they are correct or not.

[Krusty]

Oooh, check it out: present-day photos of the last one owned by NASM (currently in storage)

http://www.thomasgenth.de/survivors/Ta152/ta152.html

[Guppy35]

JG301 Ta152H-0 of Walter Loos, April 45.  This is the surviving Ta152 at Garber.  If the site Krusty posted is accurate, Loos had the most kills in a 152 with 3


JG301 TA152H-1 of Willie Reschke  April 45


TA152C-1 of JG301 April 30, 1945 when apparently they had 2 operational 152Cs

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Guppy35
TA152C-1 of JG301 April 30, 1945 when apparently they had 2 operational 152Cs

Hrm... I have to ask: How reliable is the source for that? It would be nice if true!