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Offline Wilbus

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« Reply #45 on: December 07, 2005, 04:48:32 AM »
I think it is unlikely we'll see another LW bird in a long long time considering we only whine about it once it is released. (be it justified or not).
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« Reply #46 on: December 07, 2005, 04:52:57 AM »
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« Reply #47 on: December 07, 2005, 05:12:13 AM »
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Offline Angus

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« Reply #48 on: December 07, 2005, 10:17:28 AM »
We'll hopefully see the 190's reworked. Question remains which ones and how. Maybe an idea for the 190 lineup??
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« Reply #49 on: December 07, 2005, 10:58:06 AM »
No no no no no no... no!

Don't start that again Angus lol. We royally made a mess with the spitfire and 109 suggestions (mostly the spitfires) on these forums. I say let HTC do the decision-making for a while, and we lay low :P
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« Reply #50 on: December 07, 2005, 11:09:09 AM »
Would disagree Krusty, we almost got exactly what we suggested for the Spit line-up, so I wouldn't call it a 'mess'.
In reality only one model changed, Seafire IIc instead of III, so 6 outta 7 aint bad (good title for a song?).

Pyro actaully said he read the thread and agreed almost 100% with our suggestions, so see no reason why you can't do the same for the 190's.

Although having already been reworked I would guess another rework before the remaining planes are done is probably doubtful.

I would highly doubt a 152C would even be considered, did any see combat, I think I seen someone suggested maybe a whole 2.

(ohh - sent in the SEAC VIII today)
« Last Edit: December 07, 2005, 11:15:49 AM by Kev367th »
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« Reply #51 on: December 07, 2005, 11:26:50 AM »
Kev, despite the results, the process was a mess lol. People whining nonstop, spit drivers throwing out epitaphs like "luftwhiner" at me because I set foot into a virtual 109 cockpit in AH at least once in my virtual AH career, and discounting my words because I wasn't a true spit dweeb, I mean driver (heh heh, intentional dig). The process itself was a total mess and filled with more noise than helpful information.

There are probably better ways. Sending e-mails to HTC perhaps, rather than doing it here on the forums.
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« Reply #52 on: December 07, 2005, 12:05:09 PM »
There's always going to be poeple with their own favourites, I think thats were the 'mess' comes in.
In the end once all the pros/cons were added up we all seemed to settle on the final line-up (minimum number, most representative).

Think both me Dan would have liked at least the XII added in also, personally myself for a 1945 RAF plane I would have liked the F.21 . (maybe way off in AH future :) ).

Doesn't hurt to at least suggest, even if the early/mid stages are a mess.
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« Reply #53 on: December 07, 2005, 01:04:38 PM »
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There's always going to be poeple with their own favourites, I think thats were the 'mess' comes in.
In the end once all the pros/cons were added up we all seemed to settle on the final line-up (minimum number, most representative).

Think both me Dan would have liked at least the XII added in also, personally myself for a 1945 RAF plane I would have liked the F.21 . (maybe way off in AH future :) ).

Doesn't hurt to at least suggest, even if the early/mid stages are a mess.


Someone say Spit XII?

Sorry Larry...won't happen again :)
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« Reply #54 on: December 07, 2005, 01:18:03 PM »
I think the original focus of the thread is finished. :)
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« Reply #55 on: December 07, 2005, 01:19:49 PM »
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« Reply #56 on: December 07, 2005, 01:20:53 PM »
Wilbus: The general process of the forums being used to discuss the options. That's what was messed up :)
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« Reply #57 on: December 07, 2005, 01:21:35 PM »
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Kev, despite the results, the process was a mess lol. People whining nonstop, spit drivers throwing out epitaphs like "luftwhiner" at me because I set foot into a virtual 109 cockpit in AH at least once in my virtual AH career, and discounting my words because I wasn't a true spit dweeb, I mean driver (heh heh, intentional dig). The process itself was a total mess and filled with more noise than helpful information.

There are probably better ways. Sending e-mails to HTC perhaps, rather than doing it here on the forums.


Hmmm, most of the Spit drivers and Luftwaffe drivers who actually subscribe to this game were quite reasoned.  Kev got a bit wound up at times, but Dan and I never resorted to ad hommes that I can recall.  There are a few people who seem to post on this board for the purpose of kicking hornet's nests.

As far as the Fw190s go I have long supported a review of the FM and versions in AH. I would like to see a representative lineup for the Fw190s like we just got for Spitfires and I have never claimed otherwise.  I would also really like to see the Bf109G-14 get fixed.  I like the German fighters a lot.

Frankly the only Allied fighters that I really like are the Spits and Mossies.  Other than that the aircraft I like are all German and Japanese.  Well, the Il-2 is nice as well.
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« Reply #58 on: December 07, 2005, 04:22:56 PM »
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No no no no no no... no!

Don't start that again Angus lol. We royally made a mess with the spitfire and 109 suggestions (mostly the spitfires) on these forums. I say let HTC do the decision-making for a while, and we lay low :P


a mess?  Spitfires now have decent mid war and late war planes (spit 8 and 16).  109 almost got combat flaps but pyro forgot to coad it (lol)

As for 190s... We need *real* 190s! replace the A-5 with A-4 (necessary for 1942-43 channel front battles) and A-6 (a must need for 1943-early 44 8th AF vs LW), and have the 190A-8/F-8's engine overhauled with the bmw801ts for late war so it can play with p-51s in the west and la7s and yak3s in the east (and D-9s can play with the tempest:))
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« Reply #59 on: December 07, 2005, 05:04:29 PM »
[EDIT: Read my reply: The process was a mess, not the result :) ]


Ya see, Ik3, you can't ditch the A5 and include the nearly identical A4, then include the nearly identical A6 just for 4xMG151...

You can't have a mid-war with 4xMG151 because then there's no reason to ever fly the 190A8. For a good mid-war plane, the A4, A5, and A6 were all nearly identical (differences to note being the A5 had 6 inches in the nose and the A6 could ditch the MG/FF and go with MG151 in the outboard position).

For the entire mid war period, the A5 is a good compromise. The A4 came before it for a short while, and the A6 came after it for a short while, so just put the middle one in. The only A model that AH needs might be the A-3, and that's debatable. I can't recall off the top of my head if the A3 had the new Mauser guns inboard or if it had 4x7mms and then 2 outboard MG/FF.

As for F models -- the F3 is basically an A5. Just give the A-5 a couple of bomb options and you've got an F3. There was very little difference there. I don't believe the extra armor was added until the F8 (could be wrong).

If anything we might need a G version, with a super heavy center-line bomb (turns out Gs were the ones toting around 1800kg bombs) and 2 outboard wing DTs. That would be interesting, because it had no 7mm guns under the cowling.

But for the most part the 190 selection is decent, as it is. That's not counting the modeling of the selection, just the selection.

You can't have 190As without the A8. If you want anything earlier it's either gotta be the A5 or the A3 if any at all (IMO).

Um.. whoops, didn't mean to go on for so long about that. :)
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