Ta152C

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by 1K3
a mess?  Spitfires now have decent mid war and late war planes (spit 8 and 16).  109 almost got combat flaps but pyro forgot to coad it (lol)

Must be looking at a different lineup than me -

Spit 8 = 1943 - Merlin 66
Spit 16 = 1943 LF IX (albeit with .50cals) - Merlin 266 = US made Merlin 66
Spit 14 - 1944 (perked)

So still no 'true free 1944/45' Spit, but a hell of lot better than it was.

[Krusty]

Please, bah! The Spit16 outflies anything in the game right now lol

Fess up, Kev, you won't be happy til you get a 4x20mm armed Spit LF.XXII, right?

[Kev367th]

LOLOL

Well that would be the 1945 Spit F.21, but hell I'd settle for 4x20mm Spit Vc.

Looked at WBIII Spit/109/190 lineup and whats in beta, VERY VERY impressive.
Only listed the early Spit's at the moment, but no less than 8, the last being the HF VI. So still got the VII onwards to go .

Looks like they'll have a total of 21 or 22 109s alone!!!!

Can't outfly stuff that well, it only has a 1.2 K/D.

[ahgod69]

Why not just ask for the FW 190 D-11 or feint chance a D12, saw combat was used extensively albeit only a handful were made but it did see combat.  Good guns, good low ot mid alt performance and above else its a FW.  I know you asked about the 152, but seeing how it never saw combat I thought I would throw this in as D11 and a few D-12's did see combat.  O

One other side note, one must take into account Germanys and Japans production capabilites near the end of the war.  New rides were not going to be massed produced, stop gap fillers basically until all piston engines were removed from service to incorporate the jets.

I don't think it would be a big deal to actually ask for and maybe recieve a very late model GE or JP ride.  Something competitive is always nice, and a change from the other vanilla flight sims.

[Krusty]

Well I did hear that the Ta152C was the continuation of the late Dora line, and was in fact the end of the Dora line (the Ta152H starting a new breed).

I'll do a quick search to see what the D12 had.

EDIT:

Fw 190D-10
The Fw 190D-10 was an experimental version of the D-9 with an engine-mounted MK 108 cannon and two MG 151 cannon in the wing roots. Only two of these were built.

Fw 190D-11
The Fw 190D-11 was powered by the Jumo 213F with MW-50 boost. The fuselage-mounted guns were eliminated, and there were two MG 151/20 cannon in the wing roots and two MK 108s in the outer wings. Only seven prototypes were built.

Fw 190D-12
The Fw 190D-12 was a fighter-bomber variant, which differed from the D-9 by having a three-stage supercharged Jumo 213F-1 engine rated at 2,060 hp (1537 kW) for takeoff mounted in a new, more extensively armored cowling. Armanent was one engine-mounted 30 mm MK 108 cannon and two 20 mm MG 151/20s in the wing roots. Although primarily a ground-attack plane, the D-12 also made an effective fighter and could attain 453 mph at 37,000 feet when MW-50 boost was used. Production began in March 1945 at the Arado and Fieseler plants, but only a few were delivered.

Fw 190D-13
The D-13 differed from the D-12 by having a Jumo 213EB engine and by having a 20 mm engine-mounted MG 151/20 cannon in place of the 30 mm MK 108 unit. However, only a couple of prototypes were built.

I don't know... That D10 sounds awfully nice... On the other hand, the armor of the D12 is sweet too (how many times do you lose oil in a dora? Honestly!! It's annoying.)

But the D12 and D13 aren't the same as the 152C. The point of the C was that it not only performed well, but it had 4x20mm and 1x30mm.

[DoKGonZo]

Don't look like many of the D11 or D12 were delivered either. If the D9 were modelled to be as fierce as the combat reports indicate, this whole discussion would be moot.

[ahgod69]

I will find my book on the D11 as more then 7 were built.  I know off hand of 2 that were in active front line units, one being JV44 PLattzschutzstaffel, and the other belonged to a Major, can;t recall his name right now been awhile since I dug through my Luftwaffe books.  


And the quote you have Krusty is what I am goin on here, they didn't use MW-50 at 37000 ft, GM-1 would be used in that instance.  The D-12 was a monster below 20K, and would be the choice 190 ride if it ever made it in the MA.  Doubt it, but I will keep looking.  If memory serves me 452/3 was achieved below 20k.

[MiloMorai]

Spend some money and buy Hermann's Dora book. ISBN 0-7643-1876-4

The D-11 first appeared in the Gen.Qu. 6 Abt's a/c distribution plans in March 1945. Thirteen standard D-11s and 4 with EZ42 gunsights are listed as delivered to operational units. Some more could have been delieverd in April. Known units that had  D-11s are Stab JG300, II./JG300, and JV44.

[1K3]

Originally posted by Krusty
[EDIT: Read my reply: The process was a mess, not the result ]


Ya see, Ik3, you can't ditch the A5 and include the nearly identical A4, then include the nearly identical A6 just for 4xMG151...

You can't have a mid-war with 4xMG151 because then there's no reason to ever fly the 190A8. For a good mid-war plane, the A4, A5, and A6 were all nearly identical (differences to note being the A5 had 6 inches in the nose and the A6 could ditch the MG/FF and go with MG151 in the outboard position).

For the entire mid war period, the A5 is a good compromise. The A4 came before it for a short while, and the A6 came after it for a short while, so just put the middle one in. The only A model that AH needs might be the A-3, and that's debatable. I can't recall off the top of my head if the A3 had the new Mauser guns inboard or if it had 4x7mms and then 2 outboard MG/FF.

As for F models -- the F3 is basically an A5. Just give the A-5 a couple of bomb options and you've got an F3. There was very little difference there. I don't believe the extra armor was added until the F8 (could be wrong).

If anything we might need a G version, with a super heavy center-line bomb (turns out Gs were the ones toting around 1800kg bombs) and 2 outboard wing DTs. That would be interesting, because it had no 7mm guns under the cowling.

But for the most part the 190 selection is decent, as it is. That's not counting the modeling of the selection, just the selection.

You can't have 190As without the A8. If you want anything earlier it's either gotta be the A5 or the A3 if any at all (IMO).

Um.. whoops, didn't mean to go on for so long about that.

hmmm yeah i think the A-6 is redundant

i've been thinking... if HTC revisits the 190s they should revise the lineup to something like this...

Mid war 190As and Fs

190A-3 (hmmm A-4 sounds better but the A-3 is lighter )
190F-3 (its a fighter-bomber 190A-5. Has 5 hardpoints but no outboard cannon option)

Late war 190As and Fs

190A-8
190F-8

Miscelaneus - Air superiority fighters

190D-9
Ta-152H-1

overall i think the A-3 and F-3 are goood compromise

[Crumpp]

The FW-190A6 is not redundant.  The FW-190A6 offers better performance and firepower when compared to the FW-190A5.  It is the more common mid-war variant and is handily outperformed by the FW-190A8.  People will fly the FW-190A8 simply because it is a better aircraft.

The FW-190A5 could be remodeled to serve as the FW-190F3.  

Modeling the FW-190A3 gives us an early FW-190 that can duel sub as a "early mid-war" FW-190A.  The differences between the FW-190A3 and FW-190A4 are cosmetic, not airframe, armament, or performance.

All the best,

Crumpp

[Charge]

"Link doesn't work charge."

Oh, it was just a TA152 H0-H1 handbook on sale on Ebay...
No biggie...

-C+

[Crumpp]

Oh, it was just a TA152 H0-H1 handbook on sale on Ebay...

Interesting.  You got a good link?  We just picked one up from Europe.  Very rare piece.

All the best,

Crumpp