Can Ram Model Be Fixed?

[Slash27]

Originally posted by Schatzi
How come its never understood that theres two realities with four planes. You ramming him doesnt mean he even came close to your plane....

The "not even coming close" part is what I have issues with. How freakn far apart am I supposed to believe we really are?

[DoKGonZo]

Maybe it ain't broken, but I've seen people ram me in an IL2 and not only take no damage, but come around and do it again. Same guy, 2 passes, 2 rams, no damage to either of us from the ram. That don't sound like "working" to me. And the fact that the enema did the exact same manouever twice makes me real damn suspicious that not only is something changed in the ram model, but that some people are taking advantage of this knowledge.

[BlauK]

If he went just in front of you twice, that could cause 2 collisions at your front end. If you were floating, the enemy went below you.. just barely missing you on his computer = collisison at your computer.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Slash27
The "not even coming close" part is what I have issues with. How freakn far apart am I supposed to believe we really are?

Do the math.  It is very simple so even a dropout could do it.

If both aircraft are going 300mph and the ping time from one to the other is .5 seconds there could be as much as a 146 yard difference in position depending on the headings.  It would most likely be around half of that though, so call it 70-80 yards.

[Skilless]

It seems to me the unfair part is that the guy with th least lag is going to get the ram.  The other unfair part about having a lower ping rate is that you'll get nailed by a deflection shot that is aimed at the place I was 40ms ago.  I don't know how many times I've not gone into an evasive because it looks like my opponent has too much E and will overshoot, and instead I get a one ping kill from shots fired at 300ft behind me.  What may be an effective fix to this (I'm just guessing, I don't really know about these things) would be a lag buffer that makes the game lag within a specified parameter to give everyone a level ping playing field.  I just get tired of being penalized for having a better connection...

[moot]

Adapt or die.

[lasersailor184]

It seems to me the unfair part is that the guy with th least lag is going to get the ram.

That is complete bull****.

Your netspeed has no bearing on whether or not you suck so much you can't avoid the other plane.



Everyone here is whining thinking they are at the losing end of all of these rams.  Ever stop to think that maybe you just can't fly your plane decently?

I can count on half of my right hand the number of times I've been involved in a ram or been rammed.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Skilless
It seems to me the unfair part is that the guy with th least lag is going to get the ram.  

Then I have good news for you, that isn't how it works.  Whoever sees the ram gets the ram.  It doesn't matter who's lag is what at all.

Part of the problem I think is that many of you don't think about what the time delay lag causes really means.  It does not mean that he sees the same thing you saw half a second ago.  It means he sees something different than what you see.

For example:

You and he are in the process of HOing eachother while having .5 seconds delay between your FEs.  He pulls up and to the side .4 seconds before impact and you do nothing.  What he sees is you pass under him and then explode well behind him.  What you see is him fly through you (and if you could stick around and watch he would then pull up and to the side).  He never sees himself fly through you.

Note that who had more lag was completely irrelevant to who collided.

[whels]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
That is complete bull****.

Your netspeed has no bearing on whether or not you suck so much you can't avoid the other plane.



Everyone here is whining thinking they are at the losing end of all of these rams.  Ever stop to think that maybe you just can't fly your plane decently?

I can count on half of my right hand the number of times I've been involved in a ram or been rammed.

u dont wana take that bet , ull lose.

2 guys went to DA, both purposely flew level through each other to test the collision model and connections.

they saw that  7 of the 10  collisions 1 plane only took damage even though they BOTH flew through to ram, and it was alway the better connect.


there are issues with the collision model, but  HT doesnt think so , so it wont be fixed.

its been posted what they are before.

[Skilless]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
That is complete bull****.

Your netspeed has no bearing on whether or not you suck so much you can't avoid the other plane.

Flattery will get you nowhere.

While you may be right about the ram, the other thing I was talking about is a totally real issue.  Everyday I get shot down by people who are firing at the place I was 30-40ms ago.  I understand that that's where he sees me, but that's not where I see me and it all comes down to the fact that I have less lag.

I don't know why you have to be offensive about this.  If you're so tired of this subject, DON'T READ THE THREAD!

[Kweassa]

they saw that 7 of the 10 collisions 1 plane only took damage even though they BOTH flew through to ram, and it was alway the better connect.

 So don't fly into them.

 Case solved.

[Slash27]

See Rule #4

[lasersailor184]

No, what I'm tired of is seeing the exact same people whining about the exact same thing multiple times.  And each time I clearly explained to them what happened and why it is.

I'm beginning to think that it's not lag, or the ram model that's borked.


It's your flying skills.

[Blixen]

laserguy this is my first post about this matter
so u my friend are dead wrong
as for my skills ......i`ll D.A. you any time u name plane and mine
well see how bad i "ie:"..you suck

[Tedrik]

I dont think that is the collisions model thats wrong what i thing that is wrong is the messages,when i get a message i collided with someone i expect its me ho gets the damage cause it was i ho ramed the other guy what i dont understand is when we get the message someone collided with you and you got the damage and he flies withought any damage,shouldnt be a diference between the 2 messages?if theres no deiference why the 2 messages?