The Complete Aces High 2 Fighter Turn performance (revised 2.06)

[Kweassa]

The Complete Aces High2 Fighter Turn Performance
Revised for version 2.06

[b]Testing Parameters[/b]

Weapons/Ammunition
1. Standard weapons loadout was preferred
2. For planes with multiple choice of armament loadouts, the most preferred loadout was tested
[i]  (ie. 20mm options on the C.205)[/i]
3. Planes with alternate standard loadouts were tested accordingly
[i]  (ie. Bf109G-14 with 20mms and 30mms were tested separately)[/i]
4. For planes with different ammunition options, the most preferred option was tested
[i]  (ie. 3400 rounds of M2 50cal for the P-47s)[/i]
5. External loadouts and rigs, were not used
[i]  (ie. rocket pods, gun pods, bomb racks)[/i]

Fuel
1. Fuel is set to 75% for all tested types
2. Individual fuel settings were not considered for the purpose of general comparisons for average
   fighter performance. Therefore, some types have been slightly effected for worse.
[i]  (ie. The F4U-1 at 75% fuel, carries more fuel load than the F4U-1D at 75% fuel)[/i]

Throttle
1. Planes were tested at maximum possible throttle setting (WEP included)

Altitude
1. Test altitude is between 0~500ft
2. Variance in altitude during turns were contained to less than 100ft

Flaps
1. Turn performance was tested with;
   Flaps up, one notch, full flaps

Stall Limiter
1. Turn performance was tested with the Stall Limiter method, intended to minimizing human errors
   and disparities in individual skill level
2. Default SL angle is set to 0.05
3. For planes that cannot handle 0.05 due to various reasons (such as leading edge slats), an
   appropriate SL angle was used
4. Having higher SL setting necessary for testing may be translated as follows:

[b]  "The higher the SL angle required for testing, the higher the tendency to destabilize
   (particularly in the roll axis) when nearing the limits of performance." [/b]

Testing
1. All planes that have "fighter" class were tested
2. All planes were turned according to their favored direction of turn
3. Tested area of performance is defined as follows;

[b]   "Time required to turn one full circle (360 degrees), while maintaining
    tightest turn possible, at maximum throttle setting"[/b]

4. Therefore, this test does not address the differences in turn performances caused by
   alternate methods of turn control such as;

   1) using lower throttle settings
   2) using climbs/dives during turn
   3) using stalls to change plane
    ... etc.

[Kweassa]

Results are as follows:

-Results Format-

Type (SL angle used)
- time to complete under normal setting (average turn speed), radius
- time to complete under one notch of flap (average turn speed), radius
- time to complete under full flap (average turn speed), radius

*Individual Notes

*new/upgraded planes in 2.06 are highlighted in red[/color]


A6M2 (0.05)
- 14 seconds (123mph), 122.3m
- 14 seconds (115mph), 114.5m
- 14 seconds (105mph), 104.6m

A6M5b (0.05)
- 15 seconds (130mph), 138.7m
- 14 seconds (125mph), 124.5m
- 15 seconds (108mph), 115.3m

Bf109E-4 (1.0/1.1/1.2)
- 19 seconds (139mph), 188.3m
- 18 seconds (134mph), 170.6m
- 18 seconds (110mph), 140.0m[/color]
old values
- 17 seconds (152mph), 183.9m
- 18 seconds (138mph), 176.8m
- 18 seconds (118mph), 151.1m

Bf109F-4 (1.0/1.2/1.2)
- 18 seconds (156mph), 199.5m
- 17 seconds (148mph), 178.6m
- 17 seconds (139mph), 167.3m[/color]
old values
- 16 seconds (162mph), 184.5m
- 18 seconds (146mph), 187.1m
- 18 seconds (138mph), 175.5m

Bf109G-2 (1.0/1.2/1.2)
- 18 seconds (167mph), 214.0m
- 18 seconds (158mph), 202.7m
- 17 seconds (148mph), 178.6m[/color]
old values
- 17 seconds (167mph), 202.1m
- 18 seconds (160mph), 205.0m
- 17 seconds (148mph), 179.0m

Bf109G-6 (1.0/1.2/1.2)
- 19 seconds (162mph), 218.8m
- 19 seconds (158mph), 212.4m
- 19 seconds (135mph), 181.8m[/color]
old values
MG151/20
- 18 seconds (163mph), 208.8m
- 18 seconds (160mph), 204.9m
- 18 seconds (134mph), 171.6m
MK108
- 18 seconds (168mph), 215.2m
- 19 seconds (158mph), 213.6m
- 18 seconds (137mph), 175.5m

Bf109G-14 (1.0/1.2/1.2)  *NEW*
MG151/20
- 18 seconds (168mph), 214.0m
- 18 seconds (158mph), 202.7m
- 20 seconds (135mph), 191.5m
MK108
- 19 seconds (161mph), 217.2m
- 19 seconds (156mph), 210.8m
- 20 seconds (137mph), 194.7m[/color]

Bf109K-4 (1.0/1.2/1.2) *NEW*
- 18 seconds (183mph), 233.3m
- 19 seconds (163mph), 220.4m
- 19 seconds (142mph), 191.5m[/color]
old Bf109G-10 values (1.0/1.3/1.3)
MG151/20
- 18 seconds (176mph), 225.5m
- 19 seconds (163mph), 220.4m
- 19 seconds (142mph), 192.0m
MK108
- 18 seconds (179mph), 229.3m
- 19 seconds (167mph), 225.8m
- 19 seconds (149mph), 201.5m

Bf110C-4 (0.05)
- 20 seconds (139mph), 197.8m
- 19 seconds (119mph), 161.0m
- 16 seconds (100mph), 142.3m

Bf110G-2 (1.0)
- 22 seconds (145mph), 227.0m
- 22 seconds (131mph), 205.1m
- 20 seconds (105mph), 149.5m

C.202 (0.05)
- 20 seconds (142mph), 202.1m
- 18 seconds (146mph), 187.0m
- 18 seconds (129mph), 165.2m

C.205 (1.0)
- 19 seconds (168mph), 227.2m
- 18 seconds (162mph), 207.5m
- 20 seconds (136mph), 193.6m

F4F-4 (0.05)
- 21 seconds (125mph), 186.8m
- 20 seconds (118mph), 167.9m
- 20 seconds (98mph ), 139.5m

FM-2 (0.05)
- 18 seconds (133mph), 170.4m
- 16 seconds (129mph), 146.9m
- 18 seconds (100mph), 128.1m

F4U-1 (1.0)
- 20 seconds (154mph), 219.2m
- 21 seconds (138mph), 206.2m
- 20 seconds (106mph), 150.9m

F4U-1D (1.0)
- 19 seconds (160mph), 216.4m
- 19 seconds (149mph), 201.5m
- 19 seconds (110mph), 148.7m

F4U-1C (1.0)
- 21 seconds (162mph), 242.1m
- 20 seconds (150mph), 213.5m
- 20 seconds (110mph), 156.6m

F4U-4 (1.0)
- 19 seconds (168mph), 227.2m
- 18 seconds (162mph), 207.5m
- 18 seconds (113mph), 144.7m

F6F-5 (1.0)
- 20 seconds (160mph), 227.7m
- 19 seconds (145mph), 196.1m
- 19 seconds (118mph), 159.5m

Fw190A-5 (1.0/1.5)
- 21 seconds (180mph), 269.0m
- 21 seconds (162mph), 242.1m
- N/A

Fw190A-8 (1.0/1.5)
4xMG151/20
- 23 seconds (181mph), 296.3m
- 21 seconds (171mph), 255.6m
- N/A
2xMG151/20, 2xMK108
- 23 seconds (181mph), 296.3m
- 23 seconds (172mph), 281.6m
- N/A

Fw190D-9 (1.0/1.5)
- 22 seconds (181mph), 283.4m
- 21 seconds (172mph), 257.1m
- N/A

Fw190F-8 (1.0/1.5)
- 23 seconds (179mph), 293.0m
- 22 seconds (171mph), 267.8m
- N/A

Hurricane Mk.Ia (0.05)
- 15 seconds (126mph), 134.5m
- N/A
- 15 seconds (104mph), 111.0m

Hurricane Mk.IIc (0.05)
- 15 seconds (136mph), 145.2m
- N/A
- 15 seconds (116mph), 123.8m

Hurricane Mk.IId (0.05)
- 16 seconds (146mph), 166.2m
- N/A
- 17 seconds (116mph), 140.3m

Ki-61-I-Tei (0.05)
- 18 seconds (151mph), 193.4m
- 18 seconds (146mph), 187.0m
- 19 seconds (131mph), 177.1m

Ki-84-I-Ko (0.05)
- 17 seconds (153mph), 185.1m
- 17 seconds (130mph), 157.3m
- 16 seconds (117mph), 133.2m

La-5FN (0.05)
- 18 seconds (156mph), 199.8m
- 17 seconds (150mph), 181.5m
- 17 seconds (126mph), 152.4m

La-7 (0.05)
2xShVAK
- 18 seconds (162mph), 207.5m
- 18 seconds (153mph), 196.0m
- 17 seconds (127mph), 153.6m
3xB-20
- 18 seconds (162mph), 207.5m
- 17 seconds (151mph), 182.7m
- 17 seconds (126mph), 152.4m

Me163B (0.05)
- 17 seconds (210mph), 254.1m
- 17 seconds (196mph), 237.1m
- N/A

Me262A (0.05)
- 27 seconds (204mph), 392.0m
- 28 seconds (190mph), 378.7m
- 31 seconds (153mph), 359.6m

Mosquito Mk.VI (0.05)
- 21 seconds (149mph), 222.7m
- 18 seconds (140mph), 179.3m
- 20 seconds (118mph), 167.9m

N1K2-J (0.05)
- 17 seconds (167mph), 202.0m
- 16 seconds (153mph), 174.2m
- 15 seconds (134mph), 143.0m

P-38G (0.05)
- 19 seconds (174mph), 235.3m
- 20 seconds (157mph), 223.5m
- 18 seconds (116mph), 148.6m

P-38J (0.05)
- 21 seconds (180mph), 269.0m
- 19 seconds (170mph), 229.9m
- 19 seconds (116mph), 156.8m

P-38L (0.05)
- 21 seconds (184mph), 275.0m
- 19 seconds (169mph), 228.5m
- 19 seconds (119mph), 160.9m

P-40B (1.0)
- 21 seconds (139mph), 207.7m
- 21 seconds (131mph), 195.8m
- 21 seconds (112mph), 167.4m

P-40E (1.0)
- 19 seconds (154mph), 208.2m
- 19 seconds (140mph), 189.3m
- 19 seconds (124mph), 167.7m

P-47D-11 (0.05)
- 23 seconds (153mph), 250.5m
- 23 seconds (136mph), 222.6m
- 22 seconds (120mph), 187.9m

P-47D-25 (0.05)
- 23 seconds (157mph), 257.0m
- 23 seconds (143mph), 234.1m
- 23 seconds (120mph), 196.4m

P-47D-40 (0.05)
- 24 seconds (159mph), 271.6m
- 22 seconds (151mph), 236.4m
- 23 seconds (124mph), 203.0m

P-51B (0.05)
- 23 seconds (149mph), 243.9m
- 21 seconds (143mph), 213.7m
- 23 seconds (118mph), 193.1m

P-51D (0.05)
- 23 seconds (158mph), 258.6m
- 21 seconds (150mph), 224.2m
- 22 seconds (121mph), 189.4m

Spitfire Mk.Ia (0.05)
- 17 seconds (122mph), 147.5m
- N/A
- 16 seconds (101mph), 114.2m[/color]
old values
- 17 seconds (117mph), 141.5m
- N/A
- 17 seconds (97mph) , 117.3m

Spitfire Mk.V (0.05)
- 16 seconds (138mph), 157.0m
- N/A
- 17 seconds (102mph), 123,2m[/color]
old values
- 16 seconds (137mph), 156.0m
- N/A
- 17 seconds (105mph), 134.5m

Seafire Mk.II (0.05)
- 18 seconds (134mph), 170.6m
- N/A
- 18 seconds (110mph), 140.0m
old values
- 16 seconds (140mph), 159.4m
- N/A
- 18 seconds (106mph), 135.8m

Spitfire Mk.IX (0.05)
- 17 seconds (144mph), 174.1m
- N/A
- 17 seconds (116mph), 140.3m
old values
4x30cal
- 16 seconds (144mph), 164.0m
- N/A
- 16 seconds (118mph), 134.3m
2x50cal
- 17 seconds (141mph), 170.6m
- N/A
- 17 seconds (121mph), 146.4m

Spitfire Mk.VIII (0.05) *NEW*
- 16 seconds (150mph), 170.7m
- N/A
- 16 seconds (125mph), 142.2m

Spitfire Mk.XVI (0.05) *NEW*
- 17 seconds (151mph), 182.6m
- N/A
- 16 seconds (119mph), 135.1m

Spitfire Mk.XIV (0.05)
- 17 seconds (168mph), 203.2m
- N/A
- 18 seconds (130mph), 166.5m
old values
4x30cal
- 16 seconds (165mph), 187.9m
- N/A
- 18 seconds (119mph), 152.4m
2x50cal
- 17 seconds (166mph), 200.8m
- N/A
- 18 seconds (118mph), 151.1m

Ta152H-1 (1.0)
- 20 seconds (184mph), 261.9m
- 20 seconds (173mph), 246.2m
- N/A

Typhoon Mk.Ib (0.05)
- 20 seconds (163mph), 232.0m
- N/A
- N/A

Tempest Mk.V (0.05)
- 18 seconds (168mph), 215.2m
- N/A
- N/A

Yak-9T (0,05)
- 20 seconds (144mph), 205.0m
- 19 seconds (132mph), 178.5m
- 19 seconds (116mph), 156.8m

Yak-9U (0.05m)
- 19 seconds (152mph), 205.5m
- 18 seconds (144mph), 184.5m
- 19 seconds (129mph), 174.4m

Notes:
* Tempest/Typhoon, cannot maintain turn tight/slow enough to use flaps with WEP use
* differences between old and new values are mostly insignificant at best, but curiously, almost all the new values are for the worse

[Kweassa]

List by smallest turn radius - Normal flight

Type: Radius
------------------------------------------------------
A6M2: 122.3m
Hurricane Mk.I: 134.5m
A6M5: 138.7m
Hurricane Mk.IIc:         145.2m
[color=red]Spitfire Mk.I: 147.5m [/color]
[color=red]Spitfire Mk.V: 157.0m [/color]
Hurricane Mk.IId:         166.2m
FM-2: 170.4m
[color=red]Seafire Mk.II: 170.6m [/color]
[color=red]Spitfire Mk.VIII:           170.7m[/color]
[color=red]Spitfire Mk.IX:         174.1m[/color]
[color=red]Spitfire Mk.XVI:         182.6m[/color]
Ki-84-I-Ko (0.05):         185.1m
F4F-4: 186.8m
[color=red]Bf109E-4:         188.3m[/color]
Ki-61-I-Tei: 193.4m
Bf110C-4:         197.8m
[color=red]Bf109F-4:         199.5m[/color]
La-5FN: 199.8m
Spitfire Mk.XIV(50cal): 200.8m
N1K2-J: 202.0m
C.202: 202.1m
[color=red]Spitfire Mk.XIV:         203.2m[/color]
Yak-9T: 205.0m
Yak-9U: 205.5m
La-7: 207.5m
La-7(3x20mm): 207.5m
P-40B (1.0): 207.7m
P-40E: 208.2m
[color=red]Bf109G-2:         214.0m[/color]
[color=red]Bf109G-14(20mm): 214.0m[/color]
Tempest Mk.V: 215.2m
F4U-1D: 216.4m
[color=red]Bf109G-14(30mm): 217.2m[/color]
[color=red]Bf109G-6:         218.8m[/color]
F4U-1: 219.2m
Mosquito Mk.VI: 222.7m
Bf110G-2:         227.0m
C.205: 227.2m
F4U-4: 227.2m
F6F-5: 227.7m
[color=red]Bf109K-4:                  233.3m[/color]
Typhoon Mk.Ib: 232.0m
P-38G: 235.3m
P-51B:         237.6m
F4U-1C: 242.1m
P-47N(25%) 245.8m
P-51D:         248.1m
Me163B: 254.1m
P-47D-11:         254.5m
Ta152H-1:         261.9m
P-47D-40:         264.8m
Fw190A-5:         269.0m
P-47D-25:         269.9m
P-38J: 269.0m
P-38L: 275.0m
P-47N(75%) 275.8m
Fw190D-9:         283.4m
Fw190F-8:         293.0m
Fw190A-8:         296.3m
Fw190A-8(30mm): 296.3m
Me262A: 392.0m

[Kweassa]

will post the list for one notch and full flaps later today.

[Kweassa]

reserving this one more space for the lists.

[moot]

extra tabs don't mean anything, do they?
Thanks for the work.

- K4 and tiffie are switched, according to those numbers.

[Kweassa]

Woops, my error. The Typhoon should be ahead of the K-4 in that list.

 
 Aww crap, when did they change the post editing time to 2hrs?

[Wolfala]

Just out of curiosity, did you bust out the tape measure for all of these?

[straffo]

Just on question how do you make the measurement ?

[TimRas]

Kweassa,

The last decimal in the turn radius is rather meaningless, unless your measurement accuracy of time is in the order of 1/100th of a second. If the possible error of turn time is about 0.5s, the error in radius is around 5m.

[Kweassa]

Used a stopwatch to measure the turns in recorded films, the cockpit compass was the reference to forming a full circle, and the speed was taken from the film viewer and averaged out.

 The measurements are simply using 2*pi*r formula. If the measured plane was clocked at stable X mph for Y seconds to finish a full circle with the tightest turn possible, the distance the plane traveled is the diameter of the circle; X*Y = 2*pi*r.

 So, using 3.14 as pi value,

  (X*Y)/6.28 = r  

 convert the radius to meters from miles, and that's how I got it.

 For a loose comparison on the credibility, Badboy's measurements on the Spit8 turn radius is 533ft with 25% fuel. My figures are 560ft with 75%. His figures for the Spit5 with 25% fuel is 516.0ft, mine is 515.1ft at 75% fuel.

[straffo]

Now the problem is how a math guy like me didn't figure how to calculate this.

Let say it was monday morning

[Furball]

Originally posted by straffo
Now the problem is how a math guy like me didn't figure how to calculate this.

Let say it was monday morning

it is okay, you are french. and no one expects anything remotely like help out of the french.

[Crumpp]

no one expects anything remotely like help out of the french.

[moot]

Visual graph of the above rates.



Kweassa, I'll trade you another graph like the above vs. 1 notch and full flap data.