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Offline Mugzeee

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« on: December 11, 2005, 10:10:41 PM »






The Pony is SkatSr, he kills me shortly after this sequence because a pesky Zero that had been climbing to our fight got me too distracted when he started slinging rounds at me. That coupled with the fact that the Pony was still flying when he should have lost his wing or even blew up from his wing tank taking several 20MM rounds from an LA7, was enough for me to say !@#$ IT! I simply relaxed the Stick and took it in the SIX! LOL
ScatSr lands 11 kills after this fight...I asked him if he got damage...he reported that he lost his right gear.
If i ever quit AH...this would be the type of reason why.
Make no mistake about it. Skatsr is a FAR better pilot than i. He deserved the kill in this fight and im glad he got to land 11 kills after this nail biter.
wtg Skat.
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Offline hubsonfire

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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2005, 11:32:56 PM »
Mugz, put the film up, if you can. I'm a bit surprised he didn't lose anything important.
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Offline nirvana

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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2005, 11:39:08 PM »
Wings are overrated anyway MugZ.
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2005, 11:48:32 PM »
Looks like three rounds are fired and one misses. Only see 2 sprites. I've never taken a wing off with 2x20mm hits. Blasting 110s in a Yak-9T can't be beat though. :D
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Offline Howitzer

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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2005, 12:44:32 AM »
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Looks like three rounds are fired and one misses. Only see 2 sprites. I've never taken a wing off with 2x20mm hits. Blasting 110s in a Yak-9T can't be beat though. :D


His count goes from 400 to 390, that seems like 10 rounds to me.  What is funny is that it doesn't count down from frame to frame even though mugz is shooting the entire time.  :confused:
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2005, 04:05:33 AM »
Im guessing he was passing you fairly fast (from a Hurricane point of view ;) ). Considering rate of fire and muzzle  speed of your cannon the 'space' between the bullets is quite large. Add to that the targets speed and the high angle at wich you were firing: You probably had only one or two hits on different places. Not enough to take the wing off a Pony......
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2005, 04:58:32 AM »
I usually notice that my pony doesn't usually go down after those kinds of snapshots - only 110's can manage to bring down planes with snapshots like that. Remember that the 20mm fires fairly slowly. i'm not surprised that nothing happened. The only thing messed up about this incident is that sr lost his gear, but we all know that the damage model is not very reliable.

sr, wtg.
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2005, 06:36:56 AM »
I've taken down countless ponies with one scissoring snapshot in LA7. Usually 2-3 cannon hits to the wingroot is enough to break their wing off.

IMO that bird should have gone down. But that's not the only weird thing happening in MA nowadays. As stated in the whi.. err wishlist the changes in code smoothing and/or something else have brought down the level of stability in gameplay. The time before the ISP switch and the time after it have been plagued with network related problems.

After the switch there hasn't been a day that I don't lose UDP.
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2005, 07:36:00 AM »
I understand the problem with the damage and all that...thats not my question...

My question is, why would someone post screenies of themselves actually flying the L-gay7?:D
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2005, 07:41:53 AM »
Indeed, besides the gear, there aren't any vital parts in that part of the wing, the rounds would probably have gone clean trough (or just impacted in the wing) without doing more damage than only the right gear.
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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2005, 08:04:49 AM »
True, theres been lots of Discoes, 'dissappearing planes', clear-hits-no-damage, one-ping-dead-wonders and the like lately. Is it the "smoothing" code? Maybe. But i bet HTC is already looking into it and plotting on a fix.


Mersu, im not sure (i never fly LA) but could it maybe be a convergence issue? Maybe you pinged that Pony at convergence (ie concentrated those 2-3 hits) while the ones MugZ scored were a bit spread out? I think that would be enough difference to account for wing to stay on or go off.
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2005, 09:01:46 AM »
From the looks of those screen shots he did not deserve to land 11 kills after those strikes...
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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2005, 09:05:56 AM »
I'm seeing 3-4 20mm hits, wing should have fallen off!  They hit the same general area so the damage should have weakened the wing to the point where it could not sustain the weight of the plane.
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2005, 10:37:07 AM »
I see one hit just in front of the flap.  This would be called a snap shot.  With the rate of fire of the LA cannons, and the speed of the P51, he was lucky to have one round hit.

I am not positive, but I believe the structural part of the wing is a bit more forward on the wing.  But this is a game, and the magic spot was not hit :)  Looks like the P51 driver was lucky, but by no way is this a for sure kill shot.  A better shot would have been a tracking shot behind the P51.  Tracking shots have a better chance of getting more then one cannon rounds into the target.  

When you go for the snap shot, you give up angles.  This is called an overshoot.  If you miss, you just gave your enemy a opportunity to get a better shot at you.  It looks like this P51 driver took advantage of it :)

Find a good trainer.  They can show you why this happens, and how to set up for a better shot.

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Offline frank3

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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2005, 11:04:16 AM »
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I see one hit just in front of the flap.  This would be called a snap shot.  With the rate of fire of the LA cannons, and the speed of the P51, he was lucky to have one round hit.

I am not positive, but I believe the structural part of the wing is a bit more forward on the wing.  But this is a game, and the magic spot was not hit :)  Looks like the P51 driver was lucky, but by no way is this a for sure kill shot.  A better shot would have been a tracking shot behind the P51.  Tracking shots have a better chance of getting more then one cannon rounds into the target.  

When you go for the snap shot, you give up angles.  This is called an overshoot.  If you miss, you just gave your enemy a opportunity to get a better shot at you.  It looks like this P51 driver took advantage of it :)

Find a good trainer.  They can show you why this happens, and how to set up for a better shot.

Gunner


Well I don't think Mugzeee had much of a choise whether to go for this snapshot or not. Look at his speed, he seems to have just recovered from a loop (or hefty climb) and just saw the P-51 racing below him and saw the oportunity to land a few shots.

Not sure if Mugzee could've actually tracked the P-51, since it seems the P-51 suddenly appeared in his gunsight.
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