Problems down under?

[lasersailor184]

I thought you did live in a blue area...


Anyway, my town has wierd ideas about when to riot.  We are a huge football town, so you assume that we would riot like crazy after good games.  But we don't.


The two largest riots to ever hit Penn State occurred during two Seperate Arts Fests over the summer.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
It's a good thing that the Aussie Govt. took away all of the firearms.  Imagine the chaos of those who perished might have been able to save their lives.  

And how many DID perish ???

[Ripsnort]

Apparently we're not getting the whole story of "Down Under" in the news recently:

Muslim Gang Rapes and the Aussie Riots  
By Sharon Lapkin
December 15, 2005

In Australia this week amidst anger over an Islamic man’s rape conviction and the bashing of two Aussie life savers, working-class locals erupted in a rampage of anger and brawling in some of the worst racial riots in decades. But there is more to the story than is being repeated in the American mainstream media....

Four days after he set foot in Australia, the rape spree began. And during his sexual assault trial in a New South Wales courtroom, the Pakistani man began to berate one of his tearful 14-year-old victims because she had the temerity to shake her head at his testimony.


But she had every reason to express her disgust. After taking an oath on the Qur’an, the man – known only as MSK – told the court he had committed four attacks on girls as young as 13 because they had no right to say “no.” They were not covering their face or wearing a headscarf, and therefore, the rapist proclaimed: “I’m not doing anything wrong.”

 

MSK is already serving a 22-year jail term for leading his three younger brothers in a gang rape of two other young Sydney girls in 2002. In his own defence, he argued that his cultural background, was responsible for his crimes.

 

And he is right.

 

In some parts of Pakistan, sexual assault – including gang rape – is officially sanctified as a legitimate form of enforcing the social value system.

 

One village council recently ordered that five young girls should be “abducted, raped or murdered” for refusing to be treated as chattel. The girls were aged between six and thirteen when they were married without their knowledge, to pay a family debt.

 

And when Mukhtar Mai’s 12-year-old brother was alleged to have committed an offence in a small Pakistani farming village, the village council ordered that his sister be gang-raped. So, she was taken to a hut where four men repeatedly assaulted her.

 

According to the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan there were 804 cases of such officially orchestrated sexual assault in 2000, and 434 of these were gang rapes. And if that isn’t bad enough, the victims of these atrocities are then expected to commit suicide because rape victims bring irreparable shame upon their family.

 

So as MSK committed his acts of rape while visiting Australia, he was simply perpetuating his own cultural heritage. He hails from a society where officially sanctioned sexual violence is commonly employed as a means to enforce the subservience of women.

 

And this is where two fundamental tenets of the modern Left clash: the irresistible force of cultural relativism collides with the immovable object of gender equality. But in the 21st century it is the latter that must prevail.

 

The laissez faire attitudes of cultural relativism are unacceptable in modern society. Female genital mutilation is not some quaint tribal custom that we are bound to respect: it is barbarism, pure and simple.

 

Yet many Western leftists habitually excuse these crimes against women in order to maintain political solidarity with their allies in the Islamic world. After all, it would be tough to make common cause with Muslim groups in the antiwar movement if Progressives began to criticize the practice of polygamy.

 

But along with Islamic immigration to the West have come Third World value systems regarding the treatment of women. We must not be seduced by the false tenets of cultural relativism into a toleration of forced marriages, officially sanctioned rape, and honour killings.

 

Australia’s unique brand of multiculturalism confers both rights and obligations: while cultural and linguistic diversity are to be cherished, every Australian must subscribe to a single standard of human rights. Australians must forcefully repudiate the corruption of the multicultural idea that would condone crimes against women and support jihadism.

 

The dangers of cultural relativism became evident Down Under last weekend when long-festering ethnic tensions erupted into violence at Cronulla Beach near Sydney. The trouble began when a group of Middle Eastern men were assaulted by mobs of angry locals. The local Member of Parliament, Bruce Baird MP, claimed the public outcry was revenge for the Bali bombings and September 11.

 

But Baird also explained that a series of high profile rapes in the area had spurred locals on and that a group of Middle Eastern men had attacked two Aussie lifesavers the previous weekend. Locals claimed to the media after the riots that they were sick of Lebanese Muslim gangs calling their daughters and wives names, and throwing cigarette butts at them.

 

Then neo-Nazis showed up in a transparent attempt to exploit local ethnic tensions for their own benefit. But mainstream Australians expressed their frustration with both the violence inflicted by Middle Eastern men, and the equally violent effort by white racists to exploit it.


While rejecting the tenets of neo-Nazism, working-class Aussies who live near Cronulla Beach were saying they’ve had enough of this culturally motivated crime wave in a wave of violence that is also unacceptable. The race riots in suburban Sydney represented a clash between two polar opposites of white supremacy and Islamic male supremacy. But the average Australian seeks a midpoint between these equally vile extremes in which fairness and a single standard of law will apply to all.
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[FTJR]

The posting by Ripsnort is pretty much on the money. It all stems from, IMHO, that Australia being a "reasonably" relaxed society lets people do their own thing. The trouble is certain groups, see it as a weakness, not just inside Australia, but from outside too.

Having been living outside the country for the best part of 15 years, its easy to be out of touch. But some of my relatives teach school in the suburbs of Sydney and their biggest complaint is the Lebanese children. lazy ill disciplined and no respect to the teachers, particularly females, I dont know the other parts of the world, but in Australia, u can be lazy and ill disciplined, but if you show respect, life is ok. From my school days, these were the only group the brought (horror) knives to the school ground.

Very Sad to see.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by FTJR
The posting by Ripsnort is pretty much on the money. It all stems from, IMHO, that Australia being a "reasonably" relaxed society lets people do their own thing. The trouble is certain groups, see it as a weakness, not just inside Australia, but from outside too.

Having been living outside the country for the best part of 15 years, its easy to be out of touch. But some of my relatives teach school in the suburbs of Sydney and their biggest complaint is the Lebanese children. lazy ill disciplined and no respect to the teachers, particularly females, I dont know the other parts of the world, but in Australia, u can be lazy and ill disciplined, but if you show respect, life is ok. From my school days, these were the only group the brought (horror) knives to the school ground.

Very Sad to see.

I'm not sure of the history of the "Welfare state" in Aussie land, but I do know that welfare states in this country brought forth more lazinessness from the receivers of welfare than those that actually used it as a tool to get back on their feet.  Considering my homeless background when I began life as an adult, I can safely say that I think reaching out to help someone is okay, as long as there is a term limit as to how long that "hand  out" is available.  I never received any hand outs, and would have refused them anyway due to my stubborn nature.  When someone knows that funds are limited, it tends to motivate them to seek climbing the latter out of the gutter.  

Regarding my situation, if I've learned anything, I've learned that I do appreciate everything I've earned in life, although I do tend to like to show folks what I've earned, due to the nature of being poor at one time in my life.

[john9001]

western civilizations have a "culture" of putting rapists in prison, we must defend our culture.

[FTJR]

Im afraid Rip, that Australia was very much a welfare state, at least until a few years ago, and someone who is more current can provide the details on that. It is changing but at a slow rate. And I do agree that many just use it to stay out of the workforce.

However to the current problem, and I see they are putting around 1500 police onto the beaches this weekend, as I said in previous post there are groups who think they can do what they like, whenever they like. Unfortunately the Neo Nazi's are taking the opportunity to inflame the situation, and the Lebanese are only too happy to oblige.

The only solution is more police more police power.. more laws and the country moves closer to a police state.

p.s. Of course we could... deport/shoot/jail them all, but that wouldn't be PC.

[Flatbar]

Originally posted by Bluedog
Sad but true.


Apparently the young Middle Eatern males and the young Anglo Saxon males of Sydney's eastern suburbs have rather differant opinions and are both willing to stand up for what they believe.

Who woulda thunk it eh? friction between two vastly differing cultures living in the same city, have to be a world first allmost.

Seems that Talk < Hate > Radio is partialy to blame...

CLAIMS that Sydney's race violence has been stoked by talkback radio were reinforced today when a radio announcer was forced to apologise for on-air comments about Lebanese Australians.

Macquarie Radio station 2GB's late night announcer in Sydney, Brian Wilshire, had accused some Lebanese of being inbred.

"Many of them have parents who are first cousins whose parents were first cousins," he told listeners to his 9pm-midnight show.

"The result of this is inbreeding – the result of which is uneducationable (sic) people...and very low IQ."

Wilshire's comments were greeted by outrage in Sydney, where thousands of police are preparing to mount road blocks this weekend to prevent a repeat of the race riot at Cronulla beach.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/...


Someone here once said that free speech has it's consequences, guess that's true down under also.