any interest in the future of the world in the next 10-20 years buy this book

[mora]

Originally posted by Clifra Jones
the Enviro-movement has had only one real goal. The undermining of the western capitalist economy. I have seen far to may instances here in Florida of common sense solutions to environmental problems be rejected out of hand by the Enviro-Nazis because they did not adequately punish the business interest they were trying to target.

Your logic is just the same as of those who make Bush = Hitler comparisons.

[mora]

Originally posted by icemaw
Only 10% of the oil in every well that has ever been drilled has ever been recovered. The oil is still down there its just that it has been too expensive to recover or the techniques to recover it do not exist at this time.

Yes, but it will not be cheap to recover. You will need to put in many times the energy to recover it than you currently do. You might not be able to do it at net gain at all. Everything in the recovery chain is manufactured and running on oil, which will be astronomically expensive at that point, and so will be the recovered oil.

[lazs2]

so beet... are you saying that I should read all the books on the subject even tho they both have scientists that are in complete dissagreement with each other?   And... why is that?  

Is it perhaps that there isn't enough solid data at this point to draw a realistic conclussion for what will happen decades in the future when technolodgy is involved...

I know that photovoteic has far outstripped expectations of 20 years ago so far as cost.... it is possible and is being done every day here, to have a home that will produce not only all the electricity it needs but sell back to the grid... in fact... energy companies are fighting having to buy it back.

I think I will wait till all the crackpots get done screaming and shouting before I join one cult or the other.

lazs

[Rotax447]

Originally posted by mora
Yes, but it will not be cheap to recover. You will need to put in many times the energy to recover it than you currently do. You might not be able to do it at net gain at all. Everything in the recovery chain is manufactured and running on oil, which will be astronomically expensive at that point, and so will be the recovered oil.

Nuclear power plants sitting in the middle of oil fields, providing the power necessary to extract the oil.  If we want to extract every last drop, there is no other choice.

[sling322]

Originally posted by lazs2


once we get to the point where there is a real crisis... something will be done or.... billions will starve or die of disease or war and the problem will solve itself..

really... nothing to worry about.

lazs

Bingo....and now we just solved Beet's problem of greenhouse gases.  Since everybody on the planet produces CO2 and water vapour simply from breathing.  With millions dead the production of greenhouse gasses drops immensely world wide.

[john9001]

the japanese are building a factory to recycle spent nuke fuel rods, so much for that argument.

[mora]

Originally posted by Rotax447
Nuclear power plants sitting in the middle of oil fields, providing the power necessary to extract the oil.  If we want to extract every last drop, there is no other choice.

Yes, but the nuclear power plants have to be build first. The production of the materials and the construction of the plant is all running on oil. Also uranium isn't going to last forever either, unless the next generation efficiency reactors will see the light of the day. I'm not saying that it can't be done, just guessing that it'll be helluva expensive. If someone thinks that he can buy gas at $1.80/gal after the conventional oil production starts to decline is horribly wrong. The biggest worry isn't the pump price though, it's the price of everyday commodities.

[Nashwan]

What I said was if we made up imported oil with coal... not replace the domestic production as well, let alone replace natural gas too.

Fair enough, but US oil production is only about 35% of US oil consumption, and production is falling year on year.

Demonstrated Reserves of Economically available coal in Appalachcia are 103.5 billion tons. The State on Montana alone adds 120 billion tons.

US Geological Survey estimates the total identified coal resources as being 1,600 billion tons. Another 1,600 billion tons of unidentified resources are postulated.

Argue with them.

I would, but after searching their figures seem much closer to what I said:

A demonstrated reserve base estimated at nearly 475 billion short tons suggests that the United States has enough coal to meet projected energy needs for almost 200 years, based on current consumption rates.
http://energy.usgs.gov/factsheets/coalavailability/coal.html

There's a difference in the size of reserves, because the BP energy review (where I got my figures) gives energy in tons of oil equivalent, but there's fairly good agreement about the time the reserves will last.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by lazs2
so beet... are you saying that I should read all the books on the subject even tho they both have scientists that are in complete dissagreement with each other?   And... why is that?    

I'm saying.... that I'm going to read both books. You should too!

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by beet1e

Hey jackal, I'm surprised you don't have an opinion about this book. I was relying on you. In the past, you've been so reliable in coming up with opinions on books you haven't read, countries you haven't visited etc...

And what opinion on what book that I haven`t read are you interested in Beetle. I`ll see fi I can help ya out. :}
I don`t usualy read anything that I`m not interested in reading. If it bores me, why do you think I would read it? I don`t read satanic ritual books for instance because I would be bored to tears and am certainly not interested in stuff like that. I don`t usaly visit countries that I allready know enough about to know I would be bored to tears if I went there. Your country would be a great example of that. I`m sorta strange like that. I don`t go somewhere or do something just to boost my ego at the next tea session and have something to spout off about.
Now take you for instance...you have been to Texas and it is evident by your posts that you would have been better off staying at home because you have certainly proved time and again that you know less than nothing about the state. You certainly know enough about the U.S. though. You prove that with your numerous, boring envy posts.

[beet1e]

That's OK, Jackal. You just make sure all's well in your tabacca chewing, grit eating utopia tonight, and make sure the stove's off before you go to bed.

[Gh0stFT]

nobody forces you to read any books, i just put it here for those
who like to enlarge theyr horizont, to get a different point of view.
But if you feel you allready have the right source and know it all and
so dont need anything different, its ok.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by beet1e
That's OK, Jackal. You just make sure all's well in your tabacca chewing, grit eating utopia tonight, and make sure the stove's off before you go to bed.

LOL Here we usualy run heat the night through Beet. It`s just some more evil American ways to piss you off.
You make sure you extend that pinky at tea time.

[Rotax447]

So, like, is anyone going to tell me how the book ends ... people always do that with movies.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Gh0stFT
But if you feel you allready have the right source and know it all and
so dont need anything different, its ok.

Ghost, that describes a considerable number of people on this board! What I find funny is that when 3-4 of these tards disagree with my opinions, which have been formed by reading newspaper articles reporting the findings of leading world scientists, and books like the one you have suggested, one of the tards for whom 4 paragraphs amounts to a "wall of text" and who therefore doesn't read much will assert that I have been "forced into a corner"!