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Offline KAntti

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« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2005, 11:39:14 AM »
Sorry Crusty, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Ju88, yet anyway, since theres only one version. I'll get back to you if we have seven Ju88 versions and still missing the Heinkel :D

The basic idea of having also the "x-planes" or the "try for seven days" -versions in the game is fine with me, but from some reason I see red when I read the wishlist and find it to comprise of completely exentric (propably spelled wrong) aircraft. And meantime HT is producing Spit variants.

Wouldn't it be great if we could suggest in force that the rest of most videly used and crucial WW2 aircraft to be added before any more of spit or other variants are added? Thats first in my wishlist. I'll go and start a new thread on this.  :D
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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2005, 02:15:50 PM »
Heheheh, that is indeed a good wish, but remember that HTC is doing what they can as fast as they can, while also working on TOD. Should we all start shouting loudly for "xxxx plane next!" they might just stop adding planes altogether until we settle down =(
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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2005, 02:52:14 PM »
You, Krusty are of course correct and we must consider the stress the upkeep of the "system" requires of HT team.

But still I would propose that if there are resources directed towards renewing or widening the spectrum of models of AH, I (in the most humble way possible) would suggest that instead of making variants of old models, they spent more time producing a new fresh model instead.

Now I've had this crazy idea for couple of months to ask HT how much a model creating costs (base cost) in labor, just in case there is a point in "order" ing of a model, but this is purely an idea, an hypotesis.
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Offline Krusty

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« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2005, 03:43:32 PM »
I think that we shall see this in the future.

The spitfires have been an issue for such a long time, it was either now or never, and we as the AH community could not wait any longer. The 109s were not going to be changed until somebody suggested that the lineup change. The 109s and spitfires were such important planes during the war that we had to do something about them.

I think that when the B17 is redone we will just get a B17. I think that when the Hurricane is redone we will just get the hurricane. These and 90% of all the AH planes do not need new variants. I think we will just see the old models redone to new standards. Ideally, we shouldn't get any new planes until the oldest models (d3a and the like) get redone. I'd like to see that.
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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2005, 07:22:14 PM »
"No, I don't think an MG/FF was standard on the A-4 series. You might want to double check that."

Well, the Finnish JU88A4s had them and Germany certainly gave us no special equipment but very standard stuff.

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« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2005, 03:14:51 PM »
No MG/FF was standard on the Ju88As as far as I've ever heard, and especially not on the A4... Are you sure it wasn't a later model?

EDIT: By that I mean I could be wrong, but if you've got more proof I'd be glad to see it.
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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2005, 05:12:48 AM »
Krusty, I tried to find any picture of a A4 with MG FF but couldn't find it.

I just read a book about JU88 squadrons in Finland and the cannon was there almost in every picture. AFAIK it was removed only if they needed to use the levelbombing sight, and I got the impression that they left it off later on as it was rarely used.

But I would use it :)

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« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2006, 05:25:26 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Cm9JEwoqQ&search=finnish%20bombers

Sry for digging up an old topic but found some evidence on Finnish 88 MG FF issue.

Notice that the configuration is not the standard A14 cannon armament but a different one lacking the case ejection tube.

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« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2006, 06:41:57 AM »
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....I think that when the Hurricane is redone we will just get the hurricane. These and 90% of all the AH planes do not need new variants...  



Come on Krusty, we NEED the MkIIB.....love those 12 .303's :D
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« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2006, 11:41:00 AM »
Charge: Interesting! It looks like it would be very limited in angle of fire and how you could use it. I wonder why they put there to begin with??

Definitely non-standard. As to who put it there and when -- I have no clue.

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Alfarrabista/3116L.jpg

That link is the standard setup, with the window being used by the level-bombing bombsight.

Maybe the Finns didn't get an A-4? Maybe they got a later export version? The film was from '43, and the A-4 was a '40/'41 variant.

Zorst: I wouldn't neglect it if we had the IIB, but I don't think we "need" it nor do I expect to get it :)
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« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2006, 02:37:58 PM »
hell ya put some cannons on that bad boy
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Offline Krusty

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« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2006, 02:40:08 PM »
I found a profile of a Ju88A-14 from 1944 that had one. I think it's not an A-4.
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« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2006, 07:21:30 PM »
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...Zorst: I wouldn't neglect it if we had the IIB, but I don't think we "need" it nor do I expect to get it :) ....



Very true, back around the old days (tour 10 or so) didn't we get new planes almost every update?  Not hacking on HTC as I am sure ToD aka CT aka something new this week is taking most of their time, BUT the supply of new A/C seems to have dropped off :)

Well maybe Schatzi and I will see our beloved Hurri Mk2B before 2010  :D
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« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2006, 07:24:13 PM »
lol I don't know but in AH 1.... 1... whatever... toward the end before 2.0 came out, AH went over a year without a new plane. Actually if memory serves it went a couple without any new planes.

When they're working on bigger things, "new planes" fall to the wayside.

Like you, I love HTC, and I'm not raggin' on 'em. Just making an observation or two. :aok

P.S. Going back to topic I want a solid-nose Ju88!!!
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« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2006, 03:10:11 AM »
Okay this comes form the official service book for JU88A4:

Every delivery package of a JU88 delivered to Finland consisted of a single 20mm MG FF. It was not a field modification but a part of regular armament options.

You either had the MG FF OR the level bombing sight (Lofte, BZA) in the plane.

The cannon had either a 60 round or a 90 round ammo drum.

If the back of the cannon was locked into place the firing mechanism was connected to pilots controller so he could fire it using a reflector sight, or if the observer unlocked the gun he could shoot it within a rather limited arch.

The cannon armed JU88s were used in Finland to attack troop transportations and shipping.

So, it was a standard armament option for A4. :)

Needless to say but I'd like to have it.

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