Author Topic: Humorous LOTR review (it isn't intended to be humorous) (Read 1910 times)

mrsid2 · « **Reply #30 on:** December 30, 2001, 01:54:00 PM »

Well, to put things into perspective and religious stuff aside, FOTR was a really violent movie and I wouldn't take a sensitive 8-year old to see it. Emphasis on the word sensitive..

Peter Jackson makes very graphic violence (although in this movie it was almost nonexistent) probably because his earlier work with splatter was all about making the violence overshoot to the level of becoming funny.

If you have a kid that gets scared from seeing movies in general, think twice before taking him to see FOTR. OTOH if your kid enjoys seeing this kind of wild stories without bedwetting the next night.. Take him there, he will enjoy it.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #31 on:** December 30, 2001, 02:05:00 PM »

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If anyone tries to tell me that any wizardry or magic is evil... I just remind them that most of the things they refer to as "Miracles" could be classified as magic and Moses was as much of a wizard as Gandalf. Of course, I'm a blasphemer for such ideas... but 8 years of Christian school has taught me to know better when someone goes zeolot on me.

AKDejaVu

good point, mind if i borrow that argument from time to time?

Sandman · « **Reply #32 on:** December 30, 2001, 02:34:00 PM »

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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
If anyone tries to tell me that any wizardry or magic is evil... I just remind them that most of the things they refer to as "Miracles" could be classified as magic and Moses was as much of a wizard as Gandalf. Of course, I'm a blasphemer for such ideas... but 8 years of Christian school has taught me to know better when someone goes zeolot on me.

AKDejaVu

Until last year, I'd never set foot in a Catholic church. Nor had I observed the typical rituals.

I've read a bit on Wicca and the Satanic Bible and both seemed to have some good points. For me, both failed when they started explaining the application of magic. I just don't buy it.

Now... imagine my surprise at witnessing the Catholic rituals. It's the same sort of magic as that found in Wicca or the COS.

As far as I'm concerned, the Christian church practices magic no different than that of other religions. They simply deny calling it what it is. Prayer, communion, etc... it's all magic.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #33 on:** December 30, 2001, 02:43:00 PM »

Catholic and Christian are not freely interchangable terms.

while catholics are chistians, most christians are not Catholic

Karnak · « **Reply #34 on:** December 30, 2001, 03:11:00 PM »

Funkedup,

I fully support the rights of the authors of that review to have, publish and advocate their views. I would put my life on the line to defend their right to do so should they be in danger of losing that right.

However, I also hold firm in my right to find them very, very silly and to comment on that.

I went to see that movie with a Christian friend the day it came out. He loved it. Last friday I went to see it with a fundamentalist Christian friend (8,000 year old earth, no evolution, ext, ext) and, if anything, he loved it more. Said he could watch it 6 times in a row.

Both of these guys feel that this review is silly.

Understand that we don't hate, or want to silence, these guys. But if you are extreme enough you will get mocked and made sport of.

There is a lot of discontent, some of it quite strong, posted on this board that is directed at looney lefty extremists. This was sort of my way of gently, and with some humor, reminding people that the righties have their loons as well.

Pongo · « **Reply #35 on:** December 30, 2001, 09:22:00 PM »

JRR Tolkien was amongst the most devoutly Catholic of men. It was a central factor in his life and all the protagonists in the story are very spiritual people. The movie of course misses most of that.

That is what the fellow in the review is missing. Tolkiens works subltly encourage faith in his readers. Often times the protagonists have only faith. They have only the names of thier gods and thier faith in them to persevere, thier prayers seem to be answered but not by direct intervention from on high but by thier own strengths revealed.
Religion today seems to be under attack as much by the errosion of any faith or spirituality at all in people as by someone trying to advocate a different faith or demonic worship.
Tolkien is a subtle answer to that problem.

Am0n · « **Reply #36 on:** December 31, 2001, 12:15:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM:
For me, both failed when they started explaining the application of magic. I just don't buy it.

What may be confusing, in most peoples cases, your mind through many years of TV and movies interprets magic as some fantastic trick, some unbeilveable act or summons.

Which is not the case in Satanism.

The Satanic deffiniton of magic is: "to change the outcome of an event buy using ones will."

If you read closely you will see that it talks of "trickery" magic, levating things, fireballs and such are not true "magic" buy deffinition. Those types of acts are not truely emotionaly motivated so one would not want to waste there pyscholoical energy on such tricks, as they would be "physcologial vampires". A satanist would use props for this, if he would even bother at all.

One thing i want to mention here that may help you understand the application of "magic" (keep the deffintion in mind). In order for the effect to be postitive, in your favor you need to exsust all emotion on the subject of your ritual.. may it be the birth of your child, the death of a loved one, or harm to a enemy or his likeness. You must release all emotion so the guilt or anger does not burden you any longer, and if properly executed you will not even have the topic of the rite on your mind the following day.

For example: Say you wish for your women to become pregnant with your child. You would proform a ritual and call apon Aamon (Some would call a "god", or deamon, but simply words which over 3000 years ago were found buy satanic scholars to envoke proper emotion to enspire sexuality and reproduction). Now this isnt so "Aamon" will come "out of hell" and have intercourse with your women, its simply symbolic in its nature to envoke emotion. The next day if done properly you shall have "no worries" if your seed is strong, and in 9 months you will be a father.

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Sorry to run on, just wanted to help out some ignorant people who do not understand such things. Which is understandable from where they stand, since you otherwise would not have heard the truth. Its not like this stuff has its own dedicated channel(s) on the TV or publicized and forced on everyone.

This is not meant to offend anyone, im not attempting to entice anyone to follow my beliefs, i only wish to educate.

Remeber, the average human only uses 7% of his brains capacity. You and I have no idea what the other portion has instore, never underestimate something you do not fully understand.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM:
As far as I'm concerned, the Christian church practices magic no different than that of other religions. They simply deny calling it what it is. Prayer, communion, etc... it's all magic.

You are 100% correct, most of the sybolic devices, amoung other things, used in these "communions" are adopted from other beliefs.

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Just wanted to elaborate on what Dejavu stated about the "evil/good", "satan/god" battle.. He hit the nail on the head. Thanks to all the christian "media" over the passed few hundered years we have begun to openly associate Evil with Satan. Which buy deffinition is not the case.

Just ask "dubya bush", the taliban are evil. But they are not satan.

In LOTR there is no christian God, or Satanic princes. there is good and evil.

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ygsmilo · « **Reply #37 on:** December 31, 2001, 12:45:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM:

Until last year, I'd never set foot in a Catholic church. Nor had I observed the typical rituals.

I've read a bit on Wicca and the Satanic Bible and both seemed to have some good points. For me, both failed when they started explaining the application of magic. I just don't buy it.

Now... imagine my surprise at witnessing the Catholic rituals. It's the same sort of magic as that found in Wicca or the COS.

As far as I'm concerned, the Christian church practices magic no different than that of other religions. They simply deny calling it what it is. Prayer, communion, etc... it's all magic.

Sandman--

Watch the movie Dogma -- while it did go a little overboard on the old testement stuff it did capture some of the ritualistic side of the Catholic Church. I was raised as a Catholic but when I married my wife was Lutheren (or as I like to say, all the guilt with half of the ritual) so we belong to that church.

Sandman · « **Reply #38 on:** December 31, 2001, 03:43:00 PM »

Thanx Am0n, you saw my point.

Maybe I just worded it incorrectly... where Wicca and Satanism failed me was with the belief that one could change the outcome of an event buy using ones will. Sorcery, witchcraft, magic... whatever. Even though I can agree that our brains just might contain a vast unrealized potential, I can't get past my skepticism.

I think the principle difference between the sorcery/witchcraft/magic religions and Christianity is that one prays to a higher being to change the outcome of an event rather than use one's own will.

And Milo... I've watched Dogma a few times. It's hilarious, but then again... I'm a Kevin Smith fan. My opinion is biased.

Oh... and back on topic, National Geographic has a site meant to "discover the history, myth, and cultural forces that inspired The Lord of the Rings and explore the parallels between the imaginary world of Middle-earth and our own."

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