The Notorious DA Challenge

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Shamus
Unless your the T&B guy that has to put up with endless B&Z passes by said tiff or pony pileit untill you get fed up with it and HO him..then the whines begin.

shamus

TNB guys complaing about E-Fighters BnZ'ing them would be like an E-Fighter pilot complaining a TNB fighter tried to turn with him. It's rediculous.

It's a very basic trade-off for most planes, you can fly a slow plane that out-turns everything but you are vulnerable to fast planes' high-speed passes or you can fly a fast plane that can be out-turned by almost everything but has the speed to maintain the tactical initiative in most situations. We hear, non-stop, guys in slow planes complaining about fast planes, but never not once ever, have I ever in 15 years heard a fast plane flyer complain about a slow plane because he tried to turn with him. Slow planes are supposed to turn, fast planes are supposed to make high-speed passes, it's the name of the game. It's the way it was in WW2 and it's the exact same way in AH. Why this is a shock to people I have no clue.


Zazen

[Shamus]

Originally posted by Zazen13
TNB guys complaing about E-Fighters BnZ'ing them would be like an E-Fighter pilot complaining a TNB fighter tried to turn with him. It's rediculous.

It's a very basic trade-off for most planes, you can fly a slow plane that out-turns everything but you are vulnerable to fast planes' high-speed passes or you can fly a fast plane that can be out-turned by almost everything but has the speed to maintain the tactical initiative in most situations. We hear, non-stop, guys in slow planes complaining about fast planes, but never not once ever, have I ever in 15 years heard a fast plane flyer complain about a slow plane because he tried to turn with him. Slow planes are supposed to turn, fast planes are supposed to make high-speed passes, it's the name of the game. It's the way it was in WW2 and it's the exact same way in AH. Why this is a shock to people I have no clue.


Zazen

Its not a shock, I just explained my solution and the normal response.

shamus

[SlapShot]

Slapshot- I'll give ya props for your 1 month scorin the #10 spot WTG, was a close one. But really Is that what this is about you trying to make sure that people with good ranks don't make the all to common mistake and form an oppinion that they are better than you, wow keep toting that torch. They are better than you, at consistently keeping a high rank, deal with it they can/want too and you don't. If you don't try, what gives you the right to try to demean what others do, let alone expect us to listen to your oppinions.

You fly on the most ego driven squad in the game, they accomplish nothing. What honor is there in hording the majority of top sticks in the game to go around like a bunch of jocks showing off how tough your group is, yaaaaaay. You take no bases, switching countries so you are always on the winning side, and for the most part are chasing the win, the most prime example of lack of honor in the game.

You DON'T get it ... I know who is better than me and I don't need nor use the ranking system at determining who they are ... oh ... your not one of them.

They are better than me a gaming the game ... SWEET !!! ... like I said before ... been there ... done that ... got the fluff'n T-shirt.

I did try it ... back in Tour 41 doofus and got into the top 10 ... that does give me the right and the experience to talk about it ... unlike you.

ego driven squad ... BWAHAHAHAHAHA !!! Hording the top sticks ? ... nah ... just a few of them ... the rest of us SUCK.

We take no bases ... UNTRUE ... on occasion we will take a base ... but don't spread that around.

Switch countries so we are on the winning side ... BWAHAHAHAHAHA ... thats the ****in' funniest thing I have heard in a very long time. Even our BBS sparring partners are laughing their collective tulips off over that statement. We usually switch to the side that has the least amount of players or where the best fights are

Chasing the win ... BWAHAHAHAHAH ... We don't give a flying truck who wins.

Honor ? ... in a video game ? ... BWAHAHAHAHAHA ... Honor is only bestowed upon those that earn it in everyday life ... like the troops over in Iraq ... not some google-eyed dweeb playing an online video game.

[Furball]

IN FOR TEH WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!¬!

[mars01]

TNB guys complaing about E-Fighters BnZ'ing them would be like an E-Fighter pilot complaining a TNB fighter tried to turn with him. It's rediculous.

It's a very basic trade-off for most planes, you can fly a slow plane that out-turns everything but you are vulnerable to fast planes' high-speed passes or you can fly a fast plane that can be out-turned by almost everything but has the speed to maintain the tactical initiative in most situations. We hear, non-stop, guys in slow planes complaining about fast planes, but never not once ever, have I ever in 15 years heard a fast plane flyer complain about a slow plane because he tried to turn with him. Slow planes are supposed to turn, fast planes are supposed to make high-speed passes, it's the name of the game. It's the way it was in WW2 and it's the exact same way in AH. Why this is a shock to people I have no clue.
 

This isn't a shock to anyone.  Who complains that Fast planes won't turn?  The complaints start when the fast planes don't fight and even with all the advantages are still timid.  The complaints start when the fast planes have to hyper extend or just plain run.  Anything else is just in your head bud.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by mars01
I espouse that anyone who flies these planes, in the horde, on their perch, timidy are skilless dweebs.  If you fit this category I can undersand why you get so bent out of shape LOL.

And most noob BnZs grab the Typhi first there bud.
IT'S A REALLY EZ PLANE TO FLY AND FLY WELL FROM THE TYPICAL TYPHI PERCH!!! EVEN FOR A PERSON WITH NO EXPERIENCE SKILL OR TALENT

   

What I would like to know is on the basis of what empirical information do you determine certain individuals only fly from a perch or in a horde and do not get down low and mix it up? I can't remember the last time I saw you in my area, the only reason I know you fly low n' slow is you are telling me you do and I'm assuming you're not lying about it.

I don't think I've ever seen a noob in a Typhoon. The Typhoon is a fairly rare plane, especially if you discount those that just use it to Jabo-pork. Most noobs pick planes they recognize the name of like the 109, Spit, P51 and Hurricane.

I'm not going to split hairs here but I think most would agree the Spitfire requires significantly less skill and talent to fly well than a Typhoon under similiar circumstances. The Typhoon is not overly forgiving of over-handling, nor is it especially easy to manuever especially slow, it requires alot of throttle control and rudder authority to make up for it's abysmal roll-rate.

The Spit XVI by comparison is the Porche of the planeset, it's incredibly forgiving to over-handling, is reasonably fast, climbs like a scalded monkey, and rolls as well as Fw190s. The Spits really have no weak point, they are the best all-around plane in the set IMHO. I don't think anyone, not on really good drugs, would ever accuse the Typhoon of  being the best all around plane.

Zazen

[Stang]

Originally posted by JMFJ

You fly on the most ego driven squad in the game, they accomplish nothing.  What honor is there in hording the majority of top sticks in the game to go around like a bunch of jocks showing off how tough your group is, yaaaaaay.  You take no bases, switching countries so you are always on the winning side, and for the most part are chasing the win, the most prime example of lack of honor in the game.

Chasing the win?  ROFL, I don't think I've been on the winning side of a reset in the past 6 or 8 months... maybe even longer.  It's the lowest number side most of us usually switch to, because there's more targets to engage.  Sheesh.  

Wait a sec here... how are we hording "top sticks in the game," if your definition of that is how highly one ranks?  Are you realizing that rank doesn't show how good a pilot really is? hmmm.

[Stang]

Originally posted by Zazen13
I don't think I've ever seen a noob in a Typhoon.  

Kermit flies the Typhoon.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by mars01
This isn't a shock to anyone.  Who complains that Fast planes won't turn?  The complaints start when the fast planes don't fight and even with all the advantages are still timid.  The complaints start when the fast planes have to hyper extend or just plain run.  Anything else is just in your head bud.

This line has always amused me. Who gives a flying fug if the guy is timid? Is he the only plane in the arena? There's plenty of fish in the sea, quit obsessing about the guy that won't, for whatever reason,  fight you and get busy wacking the ones that will. If you want to be able to force people to fight you who are choosing not to it's really, really simple...FLY A FASTER PLANE. Yes it won't be able to turn on a dime and give you nine cents change but you won't have to worry about people being timid. I rarely encounter timid pilots, because if I want a fight, I get a fight, speed and people feeling they have a chance to out-manuever me does that for ya. If timid pilots annoy you, perhaps it's time to put the Spit away and fly something that has the speed to dictate the terms of engagements thru initiative. Ask Shane why he started flying the La7....


Zazen

[Shamus]

Originally posted by Zazen13
What I would like to know is on the basis of what empirical information do you determine certain individuals only fly from a perch or in a horde and do not get down low and mix it up? I can't remember the last time I saw you in my area, the only reason I know you fly low n' slow is you are telling me you do and I'm assuming you're not lying about it.

I don't think I've ever seen a noob in a Typhoon. The Typhoon is a fairly rare plane, especially if you discount those that just use it to Jabo-pork. Most noobs pick planes they recognize the name of like the 109, Spit, P51 and Hurricane.

I'm not going to split hairs here but I think most would agree the Spitfire requires significantly less skill and talent to fly well than a Typhoon under similiar circumstances. The Typhoon is not overly forgiving of over-handling, nor is it especially easy to manuever especially slow, it requires alot of throttle control and rudder authority to make up for it's abysmal roll-rate.

The Spit XVI by comparison is the Porche of the planeset, it's incredibly forgiving to over-handling, is reasonably fast, climbs like a scalded monkey, and rolls as well as Fw190s. The Spits really have no weak point, they are the best all-around plane in the set IMHO. I don't think anyone, not on really good drugs, would ever accuse the Typhoon of  being the best all around plane.

Zazen

If the "similiar curcumstances" are 1v1 co e engagement low alt I would agree,
if on the otherhand you are in the tiffs enviroment...start high, dive,shoot, climb rinse and repeat, naw

shamus

[DipStick]

Originally posted by Stang
Kermit flies the Typhoon.

That's just mean!

[thrila]

hooray for mossies!

[mars01]

What I would like to know is on the basis of what empirical information do you determine certain individuals only fly from a perch or in a horde and do not get down low and mix it up? I can't remember the last time I saw you in my area, the only reason I know you fly low n' slow is you are telling me you do and I'm assuming you're not lying about it.

I'm going on what others have said and what you have said.  You fly to live at all costs and would rather spend another 15 bucks a month than get your Zazen account dirty.  So I can't believe you are taking many chances.

I don't think I've ever seen a noob in a Typhoon. The Typhoon is a fairly rare plane, especially if you discount those that just use it to Jabo-pork. Most noobs pick planes they recognize the name of like the 109, Spit, P51 and Hurricane.

I'm not going to split hairs here but I think most would agree the Spitfire requires significantly less skill and talent to fly well than a Typhoon under similiar circumstances. The Typhoon is not overly forgiving of over-handling, nor is it especially easy to manuever especially slow, it requires alot of throttle control and rudder authority to make up for it's abysmal roll-rate.

The Spit XVI by comparison is the Porche of the planeset, it's incredibly forgiving to over-handling, is reasonably fast, climbs like a scalded monkey, and rolls as well as Fw190s. The Spits really have no weak point, they are the best all-around plane in the set IMHO. I don't think anyone, not on really good drugs, would ever accuse the Typhoon of being the best all around plane.

If you mean by similiar circumstances, turn fighting, then I do agree.  The Typhi is no turn fighter, due to it's poor roll rate, but what it lacks in roll, it makes up in every other category against the spit.  The cannons alone make it much easier plane to score with and is probably the main reason alot of noobs fly it.  Keep some alt, fly timidly, hyper extend or run and you will rarely get into trouble with it.

It just makes me laugh when you start the "but you fly this plane argument" because for the way you fly, the typhoon is a much better plane then the spit, but you can't see it to realize there really isn't an argument here.  But you keep falling back to it like it does hold weight.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Shamus
If the "similiar curcumstances" are 1v1 co e engagement low alt I would agree,
if on the otherhand you are in the tiffs enviroment...start high, dive,shoot, climb rinse and repeat, naw

shamus

Obviously comparisons are heads-up, Heads up a Spitfire is great at practically everything, a Typhoon is great at 2 things, speed and firepower. No doubt if the Typhoon driver is flying in a way that accentuates the two things he is great at, speed and firepower, he can attain some measure of conditional superiority to the all-around best plane, the Spitfire.

Zazen

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by mars01
I'm going on what others have said and what you have said.  You fly to live at all costs and would rather spend another 15 bucks a month than get your Zazen account dirty.  So I can't believe you are taking many chances.

 
 

Your basing your judgement of me as a pilot on heresay? Umm, that just stupid. I never said I live at all costs, I just put living ahead of killing as my priority. For example, I am not going to dive onto 5 guys for a kill and risk dying for that one kill, when I can negotiate the pack patiently and perhaps get 3 or 4 of them and not die.

Zazen