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« Reply #255 on: December 20, 2005, 03:03:34 PM »
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Yup, Lazer, it's amazing the ego on these guys that ONLY fly Spitfires then talk about their acheivements of turnfighting with one like they just summited Mount Everest or sumfin'. When these guys start turnfighting in the Non-Top-Shelf turner and succeeding to the same degree they do in the Spitfire I'll be impressed. The Spit is the La7 of the turning world, both of them should probably be perked but aren't due to financial concerns for HTC.

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Zazen, I seem to remember engaging 2 typhoons against my  spit and smoked one and the other went running to deck to friends.(not calling out CPID)   Also, you would actually have to turn fight with them to see, instead of zooming past cannons blazing!

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« Reply #256 on: December 20, 2005, 03:10:08 PM »
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« Reply #257 on: December 20, 2005, 03:10:32 PM »
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Zazen, I seem to remember engaging 2 typhoons against my  spit and smoked one and the other went running to deck to friends.(not calling out CPID)   Also, you would actually have to turn fight with them to see, instead of zooming past cannons blazing!


I see 'em just fine as they go down in flames. ;)

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« Reply #258 on: December 20, 2005, 03:37:09 PM »
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I don't have a problem with agressive e fighters.  My statements stand irregardless of style in that way.  

But I do not call a 3 V 1 where the one starts out 5k higher than the others and has a drastically better advantage then his opponents.  Again fighting with the advantage is what I would also call average.


It would be just like you fighting 3 planes that are on the deck that turn alot worse than you, You have all the advantages in that situation. That is no more impressive than an E-Fighter that effectively manages and maintains his E advantage over 3 more manueverable enemy simulataneously and destroys them all.

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« Reply #259 on: December 20, 2005, 03:46:02 PM »
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It would be just like you fighting 3 planes that are on the deck that turn alot worse than you, You have all the advantages in that situation. That is no more impressive than an E-Fighter that effectively manages and maintains his E advantage over 3 more manueverable enemy simulataneously and destroys them all.

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Zazen, never does a plane in a 1 vs 2 or 1 vs 3 have the advantage!

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« Reply #260 on: December 20, 2005, 03:49:24 PM »
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Zazen, never does a plane in a 1 vs 2 or 1 vs 3 have the advantage!


I don't know about that, I would bet money on a decent Spit driver vs. a Typhoon and a Fw190D9 on the deck everytime and win most of the time. In my opinion if their E is equal a Spit should beat those two planes on the deck, and that's just one example. Once the SPit starts turning tightly with one, the other cannot stay with him to get an angle, soon the first one will be dead, then the next guy is in deep crap. Like E/Alt to an E-Fighter the turnrate of a turnfighter gives it some degree of immunity from attack. Turning is the quintessential defense in air combat.
 
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« Reply #261 on: December 20, 2005, 03:58:52 PM »
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I don't know about that, I would bet money on a decent Spit driver vs. a Typhoon and a Fw190D9 on the deck everytime and win most of the time. In my opinion if their E is equal a Spit should beat those two planes on the deck, and that's just one example. Once the SPit starts turning tightly with one, the other cannot stay with him to get an angle, soon the first one will be dead, then the next guy is in deep crap. Like E/Alt to an E-Fighter the turnrate of a turnfighter gives it some degree of immunity from attack. Turning is the quintessential defense in air combat.
 
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You are giving way too much credit to the spit bro!

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« Reply #262 on: December 20, 2005, 04:05:33 PM »
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You are giving way too much credit to the spit bro!


No I'm not. I flew the SPitXVI when it first came out. It's an incredibly good plane. I beat a very, very, very  good pilot (I don't name names, he knows who he is)  who flies SPits almost exclusively co-alt/Co-E same plane in 3 turns. I got into a 1 on 3 and won fairly easily on  my second hop. I did this even though I have no talent or skill, it was all the plane doing it, I was just along for the ride. It's a very great plane and a very easy plane to fly well. Against two lesser planes it's an almost sure win if the Spit driver has a clue and one of the two is not also a Spit. I'd probably even go so far as to say it's even money vs. any 3 planes on the deck provided none of the 3 are another Spit  or a very good La7 or P51 pilot.

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« Reply #263 on: December 20, 2005, 04:23:36 PM »
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It would be just like you fighting 3 planes that are on the deck that turn alot worse than you, You have all the advantages in that situation. That is no more impressive than an E-Fighter that effectively manages and maintains his E advantage over 3 more manueverable enemy simulataneously and destroys them all.


On the deck out numbered 3 to 1 you have no advantages and should be an easy kill.  Just like being outnumberd  3 to 1 with an alt advantage, the 3 lower cons should be easy kills.  This is proven in the MA almost constantly.

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It's a very great plane and a very easy plane to fly well. Against two lesser planes it's an almost sure win if the Spit driver has a clue and one of the two is not also a Spit. I'd probably even go so far as to say it's even money vs. any 3 planes on the deck provided none of the 3 are another Spit or a very good La7 or P51 pilot.
No way.  Any 3 pilots that are average should be able to defeat a single Spit16 all day long in any planes, even bombers.  Now your just dreaming.  Give me 3 IL2s and you in a spit16 and we will kill you every time.
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« Reply #264 on: December 20, 2005, 04:41:39 PM »
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Disengaging is restoring seperation...Once there is parity bewtween your E states he has 2 choices:

1) Dis-engage from you to restore seperation.
2) Continue to fight a more manueverable plane in a turnfight.

I would always do #1 unless I thought either of these 2 things:

1) He was not very good
2) His plane is not a total over-match to mine in a turnfight. For example in my Typhoon I will have a go in a turn-fight with anything German except 109E/Fs, La7s, P51Ds, any perk plane and obviously another Typhoon.

If #1 or #2 applied I would opt to turnfight rather than regain seperation.

So you see if you fly a Spitfire and someone like me thinks you have some skill you won't get a turnfight, you will get dis-engaged from. That is unless he is also in a Spitfire or similiarly manueverable plane.

Don't take this the wrong way but alot of what you are calling timid is in actuality wisdom.

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It's not timid it's just plain ghey. Those who fly by "rules" like those above are what make this game suck.

If you will only give it a go in the "uber spit16" then fly the damn thing. We need people to fight not spank their monkey like you.

Fly what you want but fight. Otherwise you are just boring us all... :rolleyes:

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« Reply #265 on: December 20, 2005, 05:28:49 PM »
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I think that if you are going to challenge someone to the DA there should be something on the line for the player challenged.

Example: The challenger should be willing to foot the next months HT bill for the player that was challenged, should the challenger lose.  Best of 3

It would definitely be entertaining, I would get off line and go take a seat at the colleseum (DA) to see which gladiator's blood gets spilled.  At least It would mean alot more when a challenge is shouted.

Cause for the most part the only challenges I see are from guys who know they have an advantage, or they won't run there mouth.  You don't see skyrock, chi, or any of the other guys that use the 200 channel alot challenging SHawk to the DA.

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i like the DA, i haven't been playin long, but just playin in the DA with kermit, yucca, savige, 2cmex and others, gives me practice for in the MA.

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« Reply #266 on: December 20, 2005, 05:34:12 PM »
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It's not timid it's just plain ghey. Those who fly by "rules" like those above are what make this game suck.

 


It only sucks for the slow plane guy that can out-turn everything who gets mad when planes they know they can out-turn won't fight them on their terms. This is just a , "Fly my way" whine...I feel your pain though, when I am in a slow turner I really, really hope and pray every plane I happen upon will attempt to turn with me too. The only difference is I understand why they won't and don't blame them or whine about it.


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« Reply #267 on: December 20, 2005, 05:35:59 PM »
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If you will only give it a go in the "uber spit16" then fly the damn thing. We need people to fight not spank their monkey like you.

 


I don't fly any of the Top 3 planes, and never will. If the Typhoon becomes a Top 3 plane I will stop flying it (although it never will).

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« Reply #268 on: December 20, 2005, 05:41:36 PM »
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 No way.  Any 3 pilots that are average should be able to defeat a single Spit16 all day long in any planes, even bombers.  Now your just dreaming.  Give me 3 IL2s and you in a spit16 and we will kill you every time.


Well the guys I fought must have been extraordinarily pathetic then. ;)

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« Reply #269 on: December 20, 2005, 05:41:51 PM »
Then you'll always be boring to fight.

I've only flown the 38 this tour. I fight EVERY plane that comes along. Zeke, hurri, spit16 whatever. To do less would be ghey... or "timid"... or "intelligent" as you would say.
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