Author Topic: New Planes Request (Read 4312 times)

Larry · « **Reply #15 on:** December 22, 2005, 11:00:58 AM »

F2A-3 (Brewster Buffalo)
He-111
Ju-52
P-39
B-25 (with pera frags)
190A4 & 190A6 (take out the 190A5)
Pe-2
Ki-43
Lag-3
Mig
G4M

Once the early - mid war plane set is finnished then the B29 should be made but with no nooks asking for that is stupid. They should be perks but only for about 30-40 perks each.

Krusty · « **Reply #16 on:** December 22, 2005, 02:13:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
Krusty,

That is less combat than the Meteor saw, and Luftwaffe fans universally say the Meteor has no place in a WWII sim. The Meteor actually fired it's guns in anger and engaged Fw190s in combat, though without result. If the Meteor doesn't cut it because ground targets don't count and unmanned missles don't count and combat without loss inflicted or suffered doesn't count then a Do335 running away most definately doesn't count.

I'd have to agree. I believe another one of HTC's prerequisites is that it had to be present in unit strength or squadron or group or something strength. A single test plane doesn't cut the mustard, so to speak.

EDIT: TK I say leave the A5 in and add the A3, we don't need an A6 or an A4, but the A3 would be sweet for early war channel setups.

CalDe1 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 22, 2005, 02:37:05 PM »

Work on the Do 335 progressed slowley through the latter years of the war, and by VE Day, only 60 had been built, and only 20 had seen any combat. They were very heavily armed, and ammuniton was carried in large numbers in proportion to the guns used.

Type: Single Seat day fighter and Twin Seat night fighter

Engines: Two Daimler Benz 1,900hp inlines

Armament: One 30-mm and two 15-mm cannon

Capable of a maximum speed of 474 mph at 21,325 ft with MW 50 boost, or 426 mph without boost, and able to climb to 26,250 ft in only 14.5 minutes, the Do335A-1 could easily outpace any Allied fighters it encountered. It could also carry a bomb load of 1100 lb for 900 miles

If you want I can provide the code and tail numbers of the aircraft that flew in squadrons. along with the paint schemes used.
CalDe

CalDe1 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 22, 2005, 02:39:01 PM »

Almost forgot the Important stuff:

Dornier Do 335A-1 Specification
Type: Single-seat fighter-bomber

Powerplant: Two Daimler-Benz DB603E-1 12-cylinder inverted-vee liquid cooled engines in push-pull arrangement - each rated at 1,800 hp for take-off.

Armament: One 30 mm MK103 cannon with 70 rounds, firing through the front propeller hub, and two 15 mm MG151/15 cannon with 200 r.p.g. above the nose, plus one 1,102 lb (500 kg) bomb or two 551 lb (250 kg) bombs internally and 551 lb (250 kg) bombs on underwing racks.

Performance: Max speed 474 mph (763 km/h) at 21, 325 ft (6,500 m); Max cruising speed 426 mph (685 km/h) at 23,360 ft (7,100 m); Economical cruising speed 281 mph (552 km/h) at 19,685 ft (6000 m); Range on internal fuel at max continuous power 867 miles (1400 km), at economical cruise power 1,280 miles (2050 km); Time to 3,280 ft (1000 m) 55 sec, to 26,245 ft (8000 m) 14.5 min; Service ceiling 37,400 ft (11,400 m).

Weights: Empty equipped 16,005 lb (7,260 kg); Normal loaded 21,165 lb (9,600 kg).

Dimensions: Span 45 ft 3.3 in (13.8 m); Length 45 ft 5.25 in (13.85 m); Height 16 ft 4.8 in (5.0 m): Wing area 414.411 sq ft (38.5 sq m).

Jester · « **Reply #19 on:** December 22, 2005, 03:24:46 PM »

Grumman F3F-4
Curtiss SBC-4 Helldiver
Polikarpov I-15 Rata
Polikarpov I-153 Chita
Gloster Sea Gladiator
Mitsubishi A5M CLAUDE
Heinkel HE-51
Boeing P-26 Peashooter

Saxman · « **Reply #20 on:** December 22, 2005, 05:08:55 PM »

Curtiss P-36 Hawk
Mitsubishi G3M "Nell"
Douglass TBD Devastator
Vought SB2U Vindicator
I can't think of its designation, but the IJA predecessor to the Oscar. "Nick," I think it was.

And because I want her period, but ALSO because she'd be needed for mid-1943 island hopping in TOD and scenarios in general:

F4U-1A Corsair (the ones that used the R-2800-8(W) as in the C/D Hogs)

1K3 · « **Reply #21 on:** December 22, 2005, 05:57:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
I'd have to agree. I believe another one of HTC's prerequisites is that it had to be present in unit strength or squadron or group or something strength. A single test plane doesn't cut the mustard, so to speak.

EDIT: TK I say leave the A5 in and add the A3, we don't need an A6 or an A4, but the A3 would be sweet for early war channel setups.

We already have the Fw-190A-3 and it's called the Fw-190A-5. Fw-190A-5 flies like an A3 and in facts it's 300 lbs lighter than A3:D

Krusty · « **Reply #22 on:** December 22, 2005, 11:40:42 PM »

CalDe1, I'd be interested to see what info you have (and where it's from) but I find the 15mm MG151s highly suspect. They were outmoded early on, in '41 or so, and most after that were MG151/20s with 20mm ammunition.

I'd be very much surprised if they "took a step back" and put in obsolete guns.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #23 on:** December 22, 2005, 11:49:38 PM »

P-38H
P-38M
P-38J-25-L0

=)

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JAWS2003 · « **Reply #24 on:** December 23, 2005, 12:12:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
CalDe1, I'd be interested to see what info you have (and where it's from) but I find the 15mm MG151s highly suspect. They were outmoded early on, in '41 or so, and most after that were MG151/20s with 20mm ammunition.

I'd be very much surprised if they "took a step back" and put in obsolete guns.

Mg 151/15 had nice flat trajectory and high muzle velocity.was not a bad gun. It had similar balistics with the Mk-103.

Even Ta 152C had two arming variants: 4xMG 151/20+1xMk-108 or 4xMG151/15+1xMk103.

Krusty · « **Reply #25 on:** December 23, 2005, 01:17:07 AM »

Are you sure about that? The 15mm was seen to be not sufficiently powerful enough,which is why the 20mm replaced it.

1K3 · « **Reply #26 on:** December 23, 2005, 01:27:08 AM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
P-38H
P-38M
P-38J-25-L0

=)

ack-ack

Yes on P-38H, no on the rest:p

Now my list

P-38H
Fw-190A-4 and A-6
Remove the 190A-5

Larry · « **Reply #27 on:** December 23, 2005, 08:00:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Are you sure about that? The 15mm was seen to be not sufficiently powerful enough,which is why the 20mm replaced it.

Krusty the Do-335 had 2x Mg151/15s in the cowl like the 190s and a big boy Mk103 in the Hub like the 109K4 has the Mk108 in thier hub. Now the Mk 108 would be nice to see in the game but the Do-335 should be made way after the B29 and even the Meteor. Hell atleast the meteors shot down noskill divebombing dweebs.

CalDe1 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 25, 2005, 12:25:38 AM »

Here's some of the data, I'm trying to put the rest of it together, note the armament, it stays standard unless otherwise noted.
Calde
Oh the operational squadrons will be listed in a bit

Type: Single-seat fighter-bomber

Powerplant: Two Daimler-Benz DB603E-1 12-cylinder inverted-vee liquid cooled engines in push-pull arrangement – each rated at 1,800 hp for take-off.

Armament: One 30 mm MK103 cannon with 70 rounds, firing through the front propeller hub, and two 15 mm MG151/15 cannon with 200 r.p.g. above the nose, plus one 1,102 lb (500 kg) bomb or two 551 lb (250 kg) bombs internally and 551 lb (250 kg) bombs on underwing racks.

Performance: Max speed 474 mph (763 km/h) at 21, 325 ft (6,500 m); Max cruising speed 426 mph (685 km/h) at 23,360 ft (7,100 m); Economical cruising speed 281 mph (552 km/h) at 19,685 ft (6000 m); Range on internal fuel at max continuous power 867 miles (1400 km), at economical cruise power 1,280 miles (2050 km); Time to 3,280 ft (1000 m) 55 sec, to 26,245 ft (8000 m) 14.5 min; Service ceiling 37,400 ft (11,400 m).

Weights: Empty equipped 16,005 lb (7,260 kg); Normal loaded 21,165 lb (9,600 kg).

Dimensions: Span 45 ft 3.3 in (13.8 m); Length 45 ft 5.25 in (13.85 m); Height 16 ft 4.8 in (5.0 m): Wing area 414.411 sq ft (38.5 sq m).

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Table I: Do335V series prototypes (14 aircraft built
at Friedrichshafen, mid-1943 to mid-1944, and tested at Mengen).
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes
Do335V-1 CP+UA 230001 1st prototype. DB603A-1 engines. FF 28.10.43
Do335V-2 CP+UB 230002 to Rechlin, rear engine caught fire, w/o 15.04.44
Do335V-3 CP+UC/T9+ZH 230003 A-4 prototype, to Ob.d.L.
Do335V-4 CP+UD 230004 Do435 prototype, not completed
Do335V-5 CP+UE 230005 1st with armament fitted, A-2 engines
Do335V-6 CP+UF 230006 Dornier development a/c, hit by bomb
Do335V-7 CP+UG 230007 Junkers Jumo 213A & E testbed, Dessau
Do335V-8 CP+UH 230008 Daimler-Benz DB603E-1 testbed, Stuttgart
Do335V-9 CP+UI/V9 230009 A-0 prototype, to Rechlin May 1944
Do335V-10 CP+UK 230010 A-6 prototype night fighter with SN-2 radar
Do335V-11 CP+UL/11 230011 A-10 prototype trainer
Do335V-12 CP+UM 230012 A-12 prototype trainer
Do335V-13 RP+UA/13 230013 B-1 prototype, to France for tests
Do335V-14 RP+UB/14 230014 B-2 prototype, destroyed

Table II: Do335A-0 preproduction batch (10 aircraft built at
Oberpfaffenhofen July-October 1944. One example converted to A-4 standard.
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes
Do335A-0 VG+PG/101 240101 DB603A-2 engines, at Rechlin July 1944
Do335A-0 VG+PH/102 240102 sole survivor, to USAAF as FE 1012, now at NASM
Do335A-0 VG+PI/103 240103 to Ob.d.L. late July 1944
Do335A-0 VG+IJ/104 240104 to Erkdo 335 Sept 1944
Do335A-0 VG+IK/105 240105 to Erkdo 335 captured by US at Lechfeld April 1945
Do335A-0 VG+PL/106 240106 to Erkdo 335
Do335A-0 VG+PM/107 240107 to Erkdo 335
Do335A-0 VG+PN/108 240108 to Erkdo 335
Do335A-0 VG+PO/109 240109 to Erkdo 335
Do335A-0 VG+PP/110 240110 to Erkdo 335 October 1944

Table III: Do335A-1 production batch (11 aircraft built at Oberpfaffenhofen,
plus 9 aircraft partially assembled, November – April 1945).
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes
Do335A-1 113 240113 Captured by US
Do335A-1 — 240161 Captured by US
Do335A-1 — 240162 Captured by US
Do335A-1 — 240163 Captured by US
Do335A-1 — 240164 Captured by US
Do335A-1 — 240165 Captured by US
Do335A-1 — 240166 Captured by US
Do335A-1 — 240167 Captured by US
Do335A-1 — 240168 Captured by US
Do335A-1 — 240169 Captured by US
Do335A-1 — 240170 Captured by US
Do335A-1 01 240301 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-1 02 240302 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-1 03 240303 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-1 04 240304 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-1 05 240305 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-1 06 240306 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-1 07 240307 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-1 08 240308 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-1 09 240309 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-2 — — Project only
Do335A-3 — — Project only

Table IV: Do335A-4 (10 aircraft scheduled January – February 1945;
only four partially assembled at Oberpfaffenhofen).
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes
Do335A-4 10 240310 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-4 11 240311 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-4 12 240312 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-4 13 240313 Partly assembled; captured by US

Do335A-6: none assembled, Heinkel Vienna factory bombed out.

Table V: Do335A-10 (aircraft built at Oberpfaffenhofen).
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes
Do335A-10 111 240111 Flew late Nov 1944; captured by US at Oberpf.
Do335A-10 — 240114 Not completed

Table VI: Do335A-12 (two aircraft built at Oberpfaffenhofen,
plus 2 aircraft partially assembled).
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes
Do335A-12 112 240112 Air Ministry 225, to RAE, w/o 18 Jan 1946
Do335A-12 121 240121 to England, w/o 13 Dec 1945
Do335A-12 122 240122 Not completed, scrapped by US
Do335A-12 — — Partly assembled

Table VII: Do335B series prototypes. (six aircraft partially
assembled at Oberpfaffenhofen).
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes
Do335B-2 RP+UB 14/18 240118 B-2 replacement proto, to France with CEV until 4.6.48
Do335V-15 RP+UC 15/19 240119 B-1 2nd prototype to Lwe February 1945
Do335V-16 RP+UD 16/20 240120 B-2 2nd prototype night fighter with FuG 218
Do335V-17 RP+UE 17/16 240116 B-6 prototype to France Autumn 1945
Do335V-18 RP+UF 18/17 240117 B-6 2nd prototype night fighter to Lwe February 1945
Do335V-19 RP+UG 19/15 240115 B-3 prototype; not completed
Do335V-20 — — B-7 prototype; not completed
Do335V-21 — — B-8 prototype; not completed
Do335V-22 — — B-8 2nd prototype; not completed

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #29 on:** December 25, 2005, 05:24:01 AM »

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Originally posted by 1K3
Yes on P-38H, no on the rest:p

Now my list

P-38H
Fw-190A-4 and A-6
Remove the 190A-5

Unfortunately, Department of Fish and Game has ruled that you are smaller than the limit allowed for trolling. As such, I am forced to through you back until you get a little bigger.

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