Did 8th A.A.F. use late P-47s (D-30/40) and 38L ?

[1K3]

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[Squire]

P-38J was the last varient to be used by the 8th AF, in @June 1944. The P-38 series continued on in the 9th AF untill wars end.

The 56th FG used P-47s untill wars end, they remained an 8th AF unit, so the answer to them is "yes". They used the late model P-47s.  The rest of the 8th AF FC converted to P-51s as they became available.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Squire
P-38J was the last varient to be used by the 8th AF, in @June 1944. The P-38 series continued on in the 9th AF untill wars end.

The 56th FG used P-47s untill wars end, they remained an 8th AF unit, so the answer to them is "yes". They used the late model P-47s.  The rest of the 8th AF FC converted to P-51s as they became available.

9th AF had all kinds of Jugs for their Tactical Air stuff.

the 9th 38 groups got some L models too.

But as Squire says, the last 38s were J-25s which were close to Ls, and the 56th had the Jugs.

[Squire]

Im never sure when somebody asks that wether they think the 8th AF was the only USAAF ETO formation. Many do.

Always pays to include the extra info.

[frank3]

But the P-47D-30/40's weren't that 'late' weren't they?

[Bruno]

Sure they were. When searching for deployment dates for the P-47D-40 I can find nothing for deployment.

Widewing posted this in one of the Mister Fork's 'Service Date Threads':

I searched for overseas deployment dates for the P-47D-40-RA and found few references. Many never left CONUS. As to squadron use in the ETO or MTO, I saw no dates prior to 1/45. I'll keep looking, but I would use January of 1945 as the baseline for now.

My regards,

Widewing

As for the P-38L and P-47D-40 for ToD, strictly speaking with history in mind, I don't see a need to slip these aircraft in. Even looking through the (AF OOB I can't see any L's (late Js yes but no Ls) or D-30.D-40s. However, I would bet they will get included as will the P-47N.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Most of the 8th AF guys I know say they got a very few P-38L-5-Lo models in just as they were assigned the P-51D. They all say maybe one or two missions were flown with the L mixed in, but no more than a couple got there before they transitioned to the P-51. Those P-38L models, along with the P-38J models they had were then ferried to the 9th AF units who stayed in the P-38's.

The P-38L-5-Lo is what is modeled in AH II. It is modeled at the USAAF power rating, and is therefore equivalent to the P-38J-25-Lo. The P-38J-25-Lo WAS deployed in numbers to the 8th AF, and as such the P-38L-5-Lo we have is a proper substitute since it has the same power.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Bruno
Sure they were. When searching for deployment dates for the P-47D-40 I can find nothing for deployment.

Widewing posted this in one of the Mister Fork's 'Service Date Threads':



As for the P-38L and P-47D-40 for ToD, strictly speaking with history in mind, I don't see a need to slip these aircraft in. Even looking through the (AF OOB I can't see any L's (late Js yes but no Ls) or D-30.D-40s. However, I would bet they will get included as will the P-47N.

They won't include the p47N because they won't include the Ta152 or the Me262 (neither of which has been updated for TOD)

[bozon]

I don't think there were P47N in europe. They were all sent to escort B29s to Japan, as far as I know.

Bozon

[Squire]

Would disagree with the P-38L.

Since there is little difference in game terms between a P-38J-25 late model and a P-38L-5.

They would not be seen with the 8th AF though, only in so far as ToD would represent the 9th AF machines @6-44 to wars end, in a tac role.

I can find  references only for  P-47D-30s before wars end in the ETO. As well as the sparodic use of P-47Ms by the same. Somebody will have to go over the sub types and see whats what.

I think a P-47D-40 would be @ Dec 44 for inclusion, but don't hold me to that.

[Krusty]

DOH! Good point. Yes, the N is PTO, the M was ETO, and the M saw very little service, as well.

[Squire]

Without a B-29 to go along with it I think the P-47N was a strange choice, but it may yet be of some use.

Again, only for ToD, I could see a "benefit" to a late war avatar to getting a Ta152, Me262,or a P-47N (M stand in) or something like that. Who knows. Would depend how its all setup.

[Bruno]

The P-47N most likely will be included in ToD, they didn't model it for nothing. So should the 152 and 262 (especially). In ToD things can be reasonably limited and regulated (unlike the CT). These planes follow along the lines of rank and privileges.

I know well how insignificant both the N (in the Pacific) and the M (in the ETO) were. In fact I was all but alone in expressing such opinions prior to N being added to AH. I still think it was a pointless selection for the game. IMHO I would rather have seen a C (pre-upgraded to D-4/5 standards), or even a D-15 etc...

Nothing in AH in based on strict historical correctness, as HT once said 'never sacrifice good gameplay for realism'. AH has a predominantly Allied-centric player base. Appeasement of these folks is necessary for anything to be a success in AH. They will demand (among others) planes like the P-38L and P-47N be included.

I don't necessarily think there's anything wrong with that.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Bruno
they didn't model it for nothing

No they won't put it in TOD. It doesn't belong. From what I understand it was modeled because Pyro or somebody had been planning/thinking about including it for some time, so when the 47s were redone, a new one was added "for fun". Also consider we got the Ki84 and the T34, neither of which will be used in TOD but were some of the first to be added.


Noooooo.... I still think we won't see Ta152 (the flight model is so fubared and it wasn't updated with the 190s) and we won't see the 262 (most don't even know how to fly it). I think we'll see a more mainstream p51s vs 109s type of deal.

[Squire]

Well, ToD isnt going to start in the Spring of 1945, and by the time it gets there, im sure a few more would have been updated. So we don't really know untill we see it.

So right now its all speculation.