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« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2005, 03:37:23 PM »
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Britain has already come to the realization that it's subjects cannot be trusted. They must therefore be monitored constantly lest they get any ideas to do anything not considered proper by the authorities.


LOL!!!!

Tell it to GWB the next time he decides that your phone need tapping...without congressional permission of course.

Long live the "Patriot" Act.

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« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2005, 05:27:19 PM »
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LOL!!!!

Tell it to GWB the next time he decides that your phone need tapping...without congressional permission of course.

Long live the "Patriot" Act.

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He's tapped the phone of members of this forum?  Really?

A few towelheads having their phone calls recorded is a far cry from every citizen having their location recorded 24/7...

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« Reply #32 on: December 22, 2005, 05:30:30 PM »
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Britain is to become the first country in the world where the movements of all vehicles on the roads are recorded. A new national surveillance system will hold the records for at least two years.


One of the first things they will find out is that 99.998% of vehicles are driving on the wrong side of the road.
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« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2005, 05:32:23 PM »
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LOL!!!!

Tell it to GWB the next time he decides that your phone need tapping...without congressional permission of course.

Long live the "Patriot" Act.

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Like four or five presidents have before him?  They didn't even need the " "Patriot" " act.
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« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2005, 05:45:21 PM »
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Like four or five presidents have before him?  They didn't even need the " "Patriot" " act.


And that makes it any better?

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« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2005, 05:46:23 PM »
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He's tapped the phone of members of this forum?  Really?

A few towelheads having their phone calls recorded is a far cry from every citizen having their location recorded 24/7...


How do you know it is a few "towel heads"?

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« Reply #36 on: December 22, 2005, 05:49:08 PM »
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Good? Bad? Indifferent?

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/transport/article334686.ece


Unfortunately once my countrymen decided it was OK for the Police put up cameras in every town centre it was bound to happen. They might start feeling different once the Goverment starts using this a revenue stream (and they will): it will be pay as you go tolls on all roads (this has already been suggested by the current goverment) followed by speeding fines worked out by journey time (which is about to happen here in New South Wales).

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« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2005, 06:08:13 PM »
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He's tapped the phone of members of this forum?  Really?

A few towelheads having their phone calls recorded is a far cry from every citizen having their location recorded 24/7...


Who told you it was a few towel heads...George?  Or are you merely assuming this based upon his declaration that he authorised the tappings to fight terrorism?

What's next?  Behind on your taxes?  Hell, that's a national security issue now...afterall how many billions are being spent "protecting" the US of A?

Ahh to heck with it...as long as there are enough In & Outs, gun shops and cheap gas what do you really care anyway?

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« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2005, 09:34:09 PM »
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And that makes it any better?


A presidential executive order reads: "The attorney general is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence without a court order." So wrote Jimmy Carter.

It has to do with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

Just pointing out that it really has little to do with the patriot act.
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« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2005, 10:05:31 PM »
Holden,

Darnit you are just not getting it are you. Now repeat after me......

It's all Bush's fault   It's all Bush's fault  It's all Bush's fault...

Keep repeating it for the next 3 years. You'll be a liberal soon.

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« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2005, 10:37:18 PM »
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Ahh to heck with it...as long as there are enough In & Outs, gun shops and cheap gas what do you really care anyway?

dont forget liquor stores.
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« Reply #41 on: December 22, 2005, 10:38:14 PM »
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 Britain is to become the first country in the world where the movements of all vehicles on the roads are recorded. A new national surveillance system will hold the records for at least two years.  


I have to wonder if some of the same people who decided that turning cattle  into cannabalistic carnivors, and along the way came up with "mad cow disease", were involved in this decision? Who would have expected taking an animal which is a herbivor, that humans will eventually eat, and turning it into a cannibal was a bad idea? Just because it can be done does not mean it should be done.

Not that trying to track the location of every car in the UK is quite the same,  but in my opinion it's close.  I would be quite pissed as a citizen of the UK that my tax dollars are going to be spent for such a frivilous, complicated, and expensive approach to tracking terrorists.  If they have no clue who the terrorists are, this kind of tool won't help prevent or stop attacks.  Why would the path a terrorist take matter anyway?  Also, if *everyone* is being tracked, won't that make tracking a specific car (or cars) harder?  Unfortunately, when some technologies become available some knucklehead (always) thinks it should be implemented.  

I suppose the British citizens think this will make them safer.  I applaud them for stepping up to the task of implemeting this technology which will only increase in cost, have numerous implementation problems (resulting in data errors), and ultimately provide data in which 99.99% of it has no value.  In the immortal words of Sponge Bob Squarepants, " Good luck with that!".  


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« Reply #42 on: December 23, 2005, 02:42:47 AM »
That's just scary.  Hope it doesn't spread.

lasz, there's no general camera surveillance on german roads. Exceptions are tunnels and borders, but I guess that's common everywhere.

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« Reply #43 on: December 23, 2005, 03:06:30 AM »
Check out Office of Innovative Partnerships and Alternative Funding

Oregon has been studying a GPS based road tax system for some time.

"Office of Innovative BS" more like it.  Any of you Oregonians want to start a petition to keep the road tax on a per gallon rather than per mile basis?
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« Reply #44 on: December 23, 2005, 07:18:18 AM »
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That's just scary.  Hope it doesn't spread.

lasz, there's no general camera surveillance on german roads. Exceptions are tunnels and borders, but I guess that's common everywhere.


While the statement above is correct, he's refering to the 'tax thingy' they've been putting on every major autobahn. Their primary function is to automatically collect fees from truck drivers (and detect passing vehicle's drivers who didnt pay) for autobahn-maintenance, however, they went lengths to make the system so complicated and obfuscated that it would be perfectly able to offer the alluded surveillance capability.
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