Britain to be the first country to monitor every car journey

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Any true American who supports the Patriot Act would be all for this .. I mean, if you don't break the law, you got nothing to worry about... right?

Any True American
Wouldnt support the Patriot Act


And if you monitor someones every movement. isnt that considered Stalking?LOL


Yes, I realise you were being sarcastic.
Im just say'n it anyway

[cpxxx]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
He's tapped the phone of members of this forum?  Really?

A few towelheads having their phone calls recorded is a far cry from every citizen having their location recorded 24/7...

I don't know for the USA but in Britain they have long had and used the technology to monitor phone conversations for certain key words. Words like bomb, attack, etc and tap into them from a monitoring centre in England. Also emails are monitored for key words too. I imagine it's the same in the USA and other countries.

It would be interesting to set up a couple of email accounts and discuss a terrorist act with yourself and see how long it would take for the FBI or whoever to turn up on your doorstep.

[Shamus]

Seems like a inefective way to do it, just make GPS mandatory, you would be able to mail traffic tickets, I bet you would see a tenfold increase in violations.

You should be able to get rid of 50-60% of the police force, no need for ticket writers, detectives would have a lot less legwork to do.

I bet thats how we will do it in the State's, exept for the law enforcment reduction part, we have far too many terrorists for that.

shamus

[Ghosth]

Ok lets take a logical look at this.

First off whats possible in the UK is not necessarily possible over here in the US.

Granted it sucks, yes its yet one more nail on lid of the box. Putting us squarely in a police state. Unfortunately this seems to be one more development that our founding fathers forgot to plan for.

Sounds to me like someone near Hendon needs to make a EMP device.
Simply fry their storage system once a week till they give it up.

They don't realise it now. But the more they treat everyone like a terrorist.
The more terrorists they will create.

[lazs2]

Ok... could be wrong about the germany thing... saw it on the history channel and they said that the roads were monitored by camera for traffic reasons and anyone following too close was photoed and then sent a ticket.

We have the same thing for red lights.

I think that it is probly correct that there is too much data out there for someone to study but that does not make me any more comfortable...  All it means is that...

Unless you are a sheep that doesn't stick out... you will be culled out when you become noticable (or even randomly) and everything you have ever done will be scrutinized.... judgement day.   Only thing is... not byu gods laws but by the current governments laws.... I don't think god will hold not wearing seat belts against me for instance..

lazs

[Squire]

Unfortunately, governments will always have an excuse as to why they want/need laws like that, and they always wrap it up into something like "well, gee, you need ID to get a drivers licence right?" and from there just keep going untill we all have cameras in our houses too.

If you take away your camera, you must be hiding something from Big Brother?, why do you want to be so difficult? Wait...we will send somebody over right away to find out what the trouble is...don't worry.  

[JTs]

why bother with license plates. just put transponders in vehicles and use gps.

[wipass]

Transponders and GPS are being discussed,

The UK has a population of 60 million and is around 550  by 300 miles in size, approx.  

We have more CCTV than the rest of Europe combined, we are regulated and monitored and we all appreciate the efforts of our socialist government to keep us safe  from harm.

God save King Tony Blair !  

Can't say much more as I am being monitored,  (sound of electric shock being adminstered by my ankle tag)  


wipass

[Excel1]

Originally posted by cpxxx
I don't know for the USA but in Britain they have long had and used the technology to monitor phone conversations for certain key words. Words like bomb, attack, etc and tap into them from a monitoring centre in England. Also emails are monitored for key words too. I imagine it's the same in the USA and other countries.

It would be interesting to set up a couple of email accounts and discuss a terrorist act with yourself and see how long it would take for the FBI or whoever to turn up on your doorstep.

That might be part of Echelon. It's eavesdropping on a global scale.

And if you plan on testing it bear in mind that people have inadvertenly tripped Echelon in the past, which has probably left them with some explaining to do.

http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/6/6929/1.html

Echelon is a system used by the United States National Security Agency (NSA) to intercept and process international communications passing via communications satellites. It is one part of a global surveillance systems that is now over 50 years old. Other parts of the same system intercept messages from the Internet, from undersea cables, from radio transmissions, from secret equipment installed inside embassies, or use orbiting satellites to monitor signals anywhere on the earth's surface. The system includes stations run by Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, in addition to those operated by the United States. Although some Australian and British stations do the same job as America's Echelon sites, they are not necessarily called "Echelon" stations. But they all form part of the same integrated global network using the same equipment and methods to extract information and intelligence illicitly from millions of messages every day, all over the world

By the early 1970s, the laborious process of scanning paper printouts for names or terms appearing on the "watch lists" had begun to be replaced by automated computer systems. These computers performed a task essentially similar to the search engines of the internet. Prompted with a word, phrase or combination of words, they will identify all messages containing the desired words or phrases. Their job, now performed on a huge scale, is to match the "key words" or phrases of interest to intelligence agencies to the huge volume of international communications, to extract them and pass them to where they are wanted

Excel

[Lizard3]

And so it was prophecied some years ago:


My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about
He says it used to be a farm
Before the Motor Law
And on Sundays I elude the eyes
And hop the Turbine Freight
To far outside the Wire
Where my white-haired uncle waits

Jump to the ground
As the Turbo slows to cross the borderline
Run like the wind
As excitement shivers up and down my spine
Down in his barn
My uncle preserved for me an old machine
For fifty odd years
To keep it as new has been his dearest dream

I strip away the old debris
That hides a shining car
A brilliant red Barchetta
From a better vanished time
I fire up the willing engine
Responding with a roar
Tires spitting gravel
I commit my weekly crime

Wind
In my hair
Shifting and drifting
Mechanical music
Adrenaline surge...

Well-weathered leather
Hot metal and oil
The scented country air
Sunlight on chrome
The blur of the landscape
Every nerve aware

Suddenly ahead of me
Across the mountainside
A gleaming alloy air car
Shoots towards me, two lanes wide
I spin around with shrieking tires
To run the deadly race
Go screaming through the valley
As another joins the chase

Drive like the wind
Straining the limits of machine and man
Laughing out loud with fear and hope
I've got a desperate plan
At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded at the riverside
Race back to the farm
To dream with my uncle at the fireside

[Thrawn]

Britain is in a race against time to become the worlds first ****opia.

[Replicant]

Originally posted by cpxxx
I don't know for the USA but in Britain they have long had and used the technology to monitor phone conversations for certain key words. Words like bomb, attack, etc and tap into them from a monitoring centre in England. Also emails are monitored for key words too. I imagine it's the same in the USA and other countries.

It would be interesting to set up a couple of email accounts and discuss a terrorist act with yourself and see how long it would take for the FBI or whoever to turn up on your doorstep.

There's two known places in the UK that do this, one is American and the other is British and I would guess that they both share information with each other.

As for the monitoring of cars in Britain, I can't see it happening for a very long time.  Only main roads in towns/city centres have CCTV and there are other cameras located on busy junctions on motorways/A roads.  I think the price of introducing such equipment, personnel etc., would be far too much and I'm sure it would drop down any governments agenda when medical and education issues would be more important.

[rpm]

Britan is far from being the first. OnStar and LoJack have been tracking movement for years in the US. Cameras have been monitoring roadways population centers for the last 20 or more as well.

[Nilsen]

everytime you use your cellphone they know were you are

I can even log in and find out were my missus is and vice versa. we have both opted for an extra service that allows you to track the cellphones in our households. gonna be great for when the little one gets her first cell and she says she is at her firends house while she really is an a crack house getting her fix cod forbid

[weaselsan]

Originally posted by Pei
How do you know it is a few "towel heads"?

Why in the Hell would they waste their time bugging your phone calls...to bore themselves silly. Besides you would hear them snickering in the background.

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