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Offline MiloMorai

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« Reply #60 on: December 28, 2005, 01:18:56 PM »
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Germans had the jet engine almost ready by the time when british scientist were trying to discover the hot water and fuel injection, cuz the spits"s engines equpied with carburators stoped in mid fight
Your education is lacking.

The Brits had their jet a/c operational before the Germans.

The Spit had injection carbs > no engine stoppage.

Tell me where would the 109 be if there was no British engine to install in the prototype?

Fyi, German guns lost RoF when firing through the prop.

Germans were incapable of making a twin engine fighter > Me110/210/410

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« Reply #61 on: December 28, 2005, 01:25:16 PM »
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Fyi, German guns lost RoF when firing through the prop.


All synchronized weapons lost ROF.

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« Reply #62 on: December 28, 2005, 01:30:44 PM »
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Germans were incapable of making a twin engine fighter > Me110/210/410


YOU IS WRONG!

the germs made excelent twin engine fighters

Bf 110 is the best Luftwaffe fighter in AH!

110 can out turn 109s and 190s by using its flaps

110 guns can *pop* you out of the sky with hi pulse cannons


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« Reply #63 on: December 28, 2005, 01:37:11 PM »
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Not with odds like these:

http://img120.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=676f8_size_of_opposing_forces.jpg

Yus.  You'd think they might have looked at a map before starting the war.

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« Reply #64 on: December 28, 2005, 02:12:16 PM »
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Originally posted by 1K3
YOU IS WRONG!

the germs made excelent twin engine fighters

Bf 110 is the best Luftwaffe fighter in AH!

110 can out turn 109s and 190s by using its flaps

110 guns can *pop* you out of the sky with hi pulse cannons


:D


The Me-110 was a turkey from the Battle of Britain on. They were routinely swept from the skies when single engine RAF fighters were present. The only time the ME-110 came into it's own was as a nightfighter over Germany and during the first part of the American Day Bomber Offensive when there were no escort fighters. As soon as the P-51 & P-47 started showing up the days of the 110 were again numbered.

As I am sure you have observed the Worlds of Armed Aerial Combat in AH and and WW2 really don't have much in common.
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« Reply #65 on: December 28, 2005, 03:21:49 PM »
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Yes they LOST to numbers... Battle of Attrition that is;)

They lost to numbers
They lost due to bad leadership
They lost to better easer to use and in greater quantitys of equipment
They lost to poor planing
They lost due to little to no training of replacment pilots
They lost to poor design I:E: 109s 15mins of flight time over England in the BOB Tiger tanks hard to build and maintain etc etc.

And last but most important they lost because Hitler was a stark raving lunitic gone mad with power and hate.

 Axis pilots were very skilled and posted huge kill stats. But they allso posted many many of thoes kills when the were the hoard sweeping the skys of out matched and out numbered pilots over Poland France Britton Russia etc etc.
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« Reply #66 on: December 28, 2005, 04:46:20 PM »
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They lost to better easer to use and in greater quantitys of equipment


The German single lever control systems were praised by all the allies for their ease of control.  The Germans excelled at simplifying a pilots workload in combat.

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They lost to poor design


German designs concentrated on performance with a common design philosophy of the smallest airplane with the most powerful engine available.  The was the design philosophy of most of the major combatants in WWII.

The German designs remained competative against their contemprary opponents throughout the war.  We can see this in our restoration of both axis and allied fighter designs.

 
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I:E: 109s 15mins of flight time over England in the BOB


Overcoming range limitations while maintaining acceptable performance was an engineering problem faced by all combatants.  The United States was pretty much the only ones to achieve this goal.  They also built the largest fighter aircraft of any combatant.

As you point out with your Tiger tank analogy, the Germans biggest engineering fault was overengineering their designs.  This makes many of their individual designs a great piece of equipment to accomplish it's design purpose.

This trait also worked against them in the electronic warfare arena for the both the U-Boats and the Nightfighters.

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But they allso posted many many of thoes kills when the were the hoard sweeping the skys of out matched and out numbered pilots over Poland France Britton Russia etc etc.


Not correct either.  The Kill ratios of the majority of the "Experten" stayed steady as long as they fought.  

The worlds leading ace did not even enter combat until 1942.

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/WW2History-ErichHartmann.html

Everything else you posted is correct.

All the best,

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« Reply #67 on: December 29, 2005, 01:13:31 AM »
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This thread neeeds a SOLID support/facts on why P-38 is *The Most Uber Plane Ever*

i'll try...

* P-38 is the most successful aerial "Zerstörer" series of WWII

* P-38 is The Jack of All Trades.

* P-38 is the F/A-18 fighter bomber of its time in WWII

* P-38 served in Europe, Pacific, and Mediterranean theaters with success (HUGE SUCCESS in PACIFIC)  

* P-38 has a long list of resumes (short example... responsible for tipping the balance of power between the Army Air Corps and the Japanese Army AF in the pacific in 1942)

* P-38: Shortest take-off of any USAAF/USAAC fighter

* P-38 benefits from NO TORQUE due to counter-rotating engines

* P-38 Fowler flaps on P-38G/H/J/L gives P-38s greater wing area, can be used as combat flaps to out-turn opponents

* P-38 Nose mounted guns are deadly, no converging required

* P-38 has good slow/medium speed characteristics



Why does this thread need solid support that the P-38 is the uberest plane ever made?  I said it is so therefore let it be written.



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« Reply #68 on: December 29, 2005, 01:19:40 AM »
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Where did you read that ? in some cartoons  capitalist war  propaganda  ?
Sir , better change your signature :    " Some pilots are good. some pilots are great but the best of all flew the Me109":D



Why would I change it such a misleading statement like yours?  It is a fact that you cannot dispute that the two top US aces flew the P-38.    And the Bf109 like all the other LW planes were just mere flying drones for the Allied pilots to shoot down at will.



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« Reply #69 on: December 29, 2005, 06:53:18 AM »
Why do yuo have such a strong campaign for your belowed p-38? You want everyone to recognize it as the most überplane ever? You want to claim yourself as the überdweeb who flies only the best plane to compensate the lacking .............. (fill in a word of choice)  ;)

Or are you just trolling around :)


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« Reply #70 on: December 29, 2005, 03:29:32 PM »
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Originally posted by BlauK
Why do yuo have such a strong campaign for your belowed p-38? You want everyone to recognize it as the most überplane ever? You want to claim yourself as the überdweeb who flies only the best plane to compensate the lacking .............. (fill in a word of choice)  ;)

Or are you just trolling around :)



You dare doubt the Uberness of the P-38?  Heretic.




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« Reply #71 on: December 29, 2005, 04:30:25 PM »
trolling it is!

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« Reply #72 on: December 30, 2005, 04:04:40 PM »
Plane that killed lots o zeros and in my mind one of the best turnfighters around
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What utter and compete BS, quite frankly I should kick you off this bbs for this post.

The real truth is you do not like the answer.

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« Reply #73 on: January 01, 2006, 03:09:16 AM »
Why do luftwaffe lovers become so itched about it when they hear about p38's
The freaks made even a website about who shot the most lightnings down.

Is this just insecureness ??


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« Reply #74 on: January 01, 2006, 06:57:28 PM »
It's because they are trying to deny what everyone with sense of intelligence already knows.  The P-38 is super-uber.

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