AH RPS (Fun not Historical)

[Torgo]

 

Originally posted by lazs:
Well... you knew I was gonna say it...

There is however a simple workable solution that could be easily implemented that would allow for not only different plane sets but balance and parity amongst them... One arena and... Total freedom and choice.  Variety, parity and action... New planes would easily be incorporated wether they be early war or late war uber planes without being at either a huge disadvantage or a huge  advantage but....
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Huh? What on earth are you talking about?

Beyond a certain point you simply can't include mid-early war planes without EXCLUDING other planes for some period of time.

The anti-RPS weasels would like to PRETEND that you have the choice to fl Early War AC but the mere existence of Doras and Tempests and etc. means that you can't.

[Torgo]

 

Originally posted by funked:
Yeah the current system works great.  RPS with score multipliers in WarBirds was IMHO the most entertaining period of that game.

Yeah, I thought it was GREAT. However, I left after Pyro and HT left, and know little of what's happened there other than reading argo's board every once in a while.

I was struck while reading Hammel's Aces over Germany and Aces over Japan at how often pilots had to transfer into TOTALLY disimilar AC.

Not getting to fly one plane type for long periods was part of World War II reality.

Yet there's a vocal, annoying, anal-retentive minority in flight sims that leaves sims after having a conniption fit when the one aircraft they fly constantly isn't avaliable for any period of time in an RPS.

That's one thing I find totally incomprehensible.


The most idiotic is the old "I pay X dollars and I have a RIGHT to fly plane X any time I want to". Give me a break.

[Wanker]

What Verm said. You have a point, Funked, but IMHO an RPS isn't the answer.

[-towd_]

all for rps loved it in wb planes are somwhat balenced .

 dweeb single plane squads hate it .

got to love it  

[Wingnut_0]

I'm a person that wants historical match up's..so to me an RPS makes sense.

I'm not a 1 plane guy, but I'm a 1 country guy so at least I would have a 109 in every week    

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Wingnut
Luftjagerkorps
 

The quality of the box matters little.  Success depends upon the man who sits in it  -  Baron Manfred von Richthofen

[This message has been edited by Wingnut_0 (edited 01-20-2001).]

[Hangtime]

Yep. I'm one-dimensional. I happen to like flying the P51D. When it became available for 9 days outta every thirty, I left that sim.

When and if it becomes available for 9 days outta every thirty here; I'll leave this one too.

I'm not insisting that AH do anything.. I'm just making it clear that if they do it here, I'll vote with my wallet and feet. You gentlmen wish an RPS? Great!! Fly your RPS schedule.. which in my opinion is just a means of getting the rest of the pilots to fly in planes of YOUR chosing; not theirs.

I don't fly a F4u1c. Nor a Niki. Or a nancy boy spitfire. Why do you wanna take my plane away?? So you can deny those pilots theirs? Who the hell you think yer kiddin? Bored? Fire up yer mission planner and get involved in the GAME. Yah I hate Chogs; but the way to get rid of 'em ain't with  an RPS, and fellas, hate to burst the bubble but the 1C was out before the 1D. Wanna get rid of that annoying high alt chawg.. then gawdammit, outfly his bellybutton and shoot him down. Don't legislate it into a limited plane set to assauge yer piss poor piloting skills at MY gawdamned expense.

Screw this nonsense. Put everybody inna zeke with unlimited gas and ammo.. quake birds all over. Yes; I've flown RPS and it SUCKED.

When WB's was hourly; those that did not like the RPS sets just did not fly. No expousure, no expense to the customer. This sim's flat rate.. not hourly. The deal here would stink even worse. Thirty bucks a month.. my plane fer nine days. No sale.

Sheesh, fediddlein weenies callin me a weasel fer speakin my piece on a roadkill troll.. hell we ain't even got the perk system out yet and you guys are runnin to the most rotten thing I ever heard of in a slim planeset sim like this... just to limit a dweeb plane.

Panzies. Fly and Die like men.

Hang

[iculus]

Historical matchups are great fun, but the RPS is a pain in the neck.  Perhaps we could just have a separate arena with historical matchups that change weekly.  

With a rolling plane set, planes are like computers, once you get it, it's obsolete in a day or two.  You never really get aquainted with it.  

[Halo]

Although I much prefer having all planes available all the time, a rolling plane set appeals to those wanting more limited progressive historical options.  If Aces High does an RPS, hopefully it will be only as an additional theater option like WarBirds does while keeping its Main Arena available.

Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on your point of view, in WarBirds the rolling plane set(World War II Arena) gets most of the action; sometimes the Main Arena offering all planes all the time is empty.
 
At the other extreme, the Realism Arena in WarBirds usually has few players because with its much more limited visual aids, it is difficult seeing airplanes until you're right on top of them.

All three WarBirds arena options (and there are also periodic reenactments like Midway)are excellent -- just depends on what you want.

If Aces High prefers to concentrate on only one arena, let it be the total full choice it is now.  Simulations on computer screens need lots of help to compensate for their limited sensory scope.  That translates into max FUN which means max revenue and max product growth.

If additional arenas are deemed necessary, for the most serious competitors how about a Top Gun Arena that offers only ONE fighter plane type at a time?  Equal rides for everyone, e.g., Spit vs. Spit.  If such jousting catches on, perhaps someday might want arenas for navy and ground too, e.g., tank vs. tank.

Meanwhile, the present full option arena is a competitive delight.  It's the No Excuses Arena. Choose and go, and make your own luck.

 

[fd ski]

Each week that passes by, the area grows in numbers and we're getting closer to AW dying its natural death.
In due time - we will have enough players to fill two arenas - and then we can have a current MA and some sort of HA with RPS in it.

Up to that point - HTC cannot afford to alienate customers  - not yet.

RPS and generations implementations are fun but cause a toejamload of whining..



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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF

Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998

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[Gadfly]

Lol, Give it up Funky-one, this is a damn good GAME.

[Torgo]

 

Originally posted by Hangtime:
Yep. I'm one-dimensional. I happen to like flying the P51D. When it became available for 9 days outta every thirty, I left that sim.

Ok. Do you find flying the P-51B or the Mustang I (Allison engine) TOTALLY intolerable?

No one is suggesting an RPS until there are a LOT more planes.  For many makes of planes, people will be able to fly some version of it for virtually the entire war (Spit, 109, etc.) The Mustang has to be wait a bit to come in, but in any RPS once we have the full range of Mustang variants it's clear you'd be able to fly a Mustang MOST of the RPS. NOT 1/3 of it.

If you're such an anal-retentive tool that you simply can't tolerate, say, a 51 without 6 .50s for a while, or one without a full-viz bubble canopy,  or one that's limited at high altitudes (that's still an amazing plane where most of the combat in the MA takes place, and in fact would be MORE dominating in the mid-war portion of an RPS), well, then don't let the door hit your bellybutton on the way out of AH. I have no sympathy for you whatsover.

And, btw, I fly a P-51D most of the time too.

Yah I hate Chogs; but the way to get rid of 'em ain't with  an RPS, and fellas, hate to burst the bubble but the 1C was out before the 1D.[/b]

Actually, this is incorrect. The D was in combat before the C, I believe.

And 6x.50 armed Hogs were in combat 3 years before the C Hog. The D Hog is, I believe, simply the designation for the first Corsairs to come out of the factory with the bomb and rocket racks; however, this modification was done in the field on the majority of Hogs.


 

Wanna get rid of that annoying high alt chawg.. then gawdammit, outfly his bellybutton and shoot him down. Don't legislate it into a limited plane set to assauge yer piss poor piloting skills at MY gawdamned expense..[/b]

Give me . It's an idiotic, tired old argument to portray everyone who wants an RPS as people who want an RPS for the sole purpose of getting rid of the Chog, or they want to get an RPS to get rid of certain planes they get killed by too much.  

People want an RPS because they want a more interesting and challenging game with a varied series of matchups.

If you think people want an RPS because they don't like the Chog, you're a moron.



[This message has been edited by Torgo (edited 01-21-2001).]

[Torgo]

One more thing...

Once mid and early war aircraft are added..

There is NO SUCH THING as a "Total Full Choice" arena.

Technically, yes, in an arena where you can choose every aircraft, you can pick an MC202 or a P-40 or a P-39 and take off.

But you can't ACTUALLY use it. It's DE FACTO unavaliable.

In reality, it's just as unuseable in a "full choice" non-RPS arena as the P-51D is in 1942 in an RPS arena.

An RPS INCREASES choice. It doesn't reduce it.

[Hangtime]

   

If you're such an anal-retentive tool that you simply can't tolerate, say, a 51 without 6 .50s for a while.. If you think people want an RPS because they don't like the Chog, you're a moron.

Torgo; you spineless wussy; you say that to my face; I'd knock yah on yer panzy ass. I ain't nobodys TOOL and last time anybody tried yankin my chain they found I wasn't a moron either.

What I fly is what I want to fly.. and not what YOU think I should fly to satisfy yer piss poor skills... or your mishappen idea of what an appropiriate planeset is for the Main Arena. No; Torgo.. RPS does not represent more choices.. do the fediddlein math..

You advocate historcal matchup for MA.. but you don't consider the fact that all countries are flying exactly the same planes.. so just like WB's RPS it'll be low spits and zekes fighting low spits and zekes while 109's B&Z 'em when they're not fighting each other up top. By the end of the week; everybodys in a 109. What you want is a HA.. not RPS.

And yes I want a HA.. have been lobbying for one for months. Yes; I like historcal matchups.. and I'd love to have a P51B.. and if yah didn't have an bellybutton where yer mouth is you'd know THAT too. What i don't want is to have the plane I started flyin this sim to fly; a bird thats been in it from day ONE suddenly yanked from the roster FOR ANY REASON.

RPS is a great HA idea with plane types limited to countries.. but not fer MA with this limited planeset.

Sorry fer the vent everybody.. but dammit; I take toejame like that from nobody; anywhere, anytime.

Hang

[This message has been edited by Hangtime (edited 01-21-2001).]

[Torgo]

Hangtime,

There are people whose favorite planes aren't even in the damn GAME yet and they manage to play it and have fun, amazingly enough.

Just answer the question:

If you had to fly a P51 without a bubble canopy, or without 6 x .50s for some period of time, is that SO INTOLERABLE you'd cry like a spoiled baby on the boards for a couple days and then you'd quit AH?

I assume the answer is "yes".


And drop the retarded "skills" crap.  An RPS doesn't help people who can't fly so there's no reason for poor pilots to advocate an RPS.  They'd die just as much, just in different planes getting killed by planes that are different.

You're obviously incapable of having a rational discussion about this, given your propensity to propose the laughably stupid concept that people only want an RPS to get rid of the CHog, or to make the game easier for them.

I mean, I COULD make the argument that it's the people that DON'T want an RPS that have "piss poor" skills.  I mean, someone that can ONLY fly one plane obviously is someone who can't adjust to anything new and has a limited range of air combat skills.

I won't, though. I'm sure you're a fine pilot. Better than me (well, almost everyone is, I'm still having horrendous problems with my stick setups in AH and my long layoff between WB and AH.)

I just think you're an utterly selfish whiner.  You can't tolerate flying , say, a P-40 for a brief period, then an early version of the 51, then a 51D for the last third of the game, in order to allow an EXPLOSION in the number of planetypes and changing matchups? And allowing for many players whose favorite WWII plane was an early or mid war plane to simply fly that plane at all? That all has to be subordinated to Hangtime's God-Given Constitutional Right to fly a P-51D 24/7?

[Hangtime]

Torgo.. kiss my ass; call it a love story. Go fly WB's you want RPS.

Enuff.