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Offline DREDIOCK

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Like the 190s were 109 cockpit views are wrong
« on: December 29, 2005, 08:27:57 PM »
Back when AHII came out those of us luftweinie pilots complained about the views, and the forward view in particular of the 190s.

This in the end was fixed (TY HTC)

Now we are faced with the exact same problem with the 109s.
And their similarly crappy forward view.

On looking at some of the pictures from the outside I first thought they were right. from the outside it looks as if that large thick forward crossmember blocking the view
But tonight I found some other better views of this aircraft which to me indicate definitively that the current forward view out of the 109's is all wrong and they should have at the very least better views then the currently do

Note that crossmember thickness isnt nearly as thick looking from the inside as it looks from the outside and is actually thinner then most of the guages dispite the fact that the crossmember is closer to the camera then the guages are and thus would appear larger then it would if photographed at the same distance







Also note the guages themselves are easier to read.
there is much more contrast between the light numbered/lettered part of the guages and the black background.
And from the looks of the plane in the second pick those parts look to be original and are probably faded and yellowed somewhat by age (Happens to white things over 60+ years) and are probably in less contrast then the freash from factory originals




Other photos can be found here

http://hkkk.fi/~yrjola/photo/planes/bf109/cockpit.html

HTC, please. It bad enough the 109's flight charactoristics has been dummied down somewhat.

But respectfully. Can we at least have them have a better view?
« Last Edit: December 29, 2005, 08:36:27 PM by DREDIOCK »
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Like the 190s were 109 cockpit views are wrong
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2005, 08:31:20 PM »
:aok

Hope this gets addressed, not just for the MA but I think part of ToD's success or failure could depend on it.

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Like the 190s were 109 cockpit views are wrong
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2005, 09:05:54 PM »
Ahh.. pics 2, 3 and 4 are so familiar... (My avatar is from that G-6/Y, MT-507 of the FiAF, can be seen live here). :)

There was a lengthy thread about the 109 cockpit views in the Aircraft & Vehicles forum, AFAIK there's nothing being done about this (at least nothing has been mentioned in the news).
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Like the 190s were 109 cockpit views are wrong
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2005, 10:25:09 PM »
Somehow I doubt they'll fix this, considering the 109's were JUST redone :confused: I think the most we can hope to have addressed in the near future is flap deployment.
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Like the 190s were 109 cockpit views are wrong
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2005, 11:01:42 PM »
how much of that plane is origional? the forward glass doesnt appear to be as it looks like plexi glass glued in rather badly.

 I like the 109 view we got in ah, helps to have track ir to look around the bars tho.

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Like the 190s were 109 cockpit views are wrong
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2005, 11:11:03 PM »
Love the 109, would love to see this fixed. :)
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Like the 190s were 109 cockpit views are wrong
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2005, 11:51:21 PM »
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Somehow I doubt they'll fix this, considering the 109's were JUST redone :confused: I think the most we can hope to have addressed in the near future is flap deployment.


The 190s were just redone (wrong) also when they were redone correctly.
If its done wrong, and it is. Why not correct it?

Another thing I noticed while flying tonight is that the nose wasnt in the way as much IRL (3rd pick down) as it is in the game where you have these two round large humps blocking your low 7:00 and 5:00 view while looking forward and from the RL cockpit view you cant see much of the nose at all. Whereas in the game its to the point of being in the way.
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2005, 11:53:29 PM »
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Another thing I noticed while flying tonight is that the nose wasnt in the way as much IRL (3rd pick down) as it is in the game where you have these two round large humps blocking your low 7:00 and 5:00 view while looking forward and from the RL cockpit view you cant see much of the nose at all. Whereas in the game its to the point of being in the way.


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Nath and I were talking about this before. Glad someone else noticed the same thing. :)
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Like the 190s were 109 cockpit views are wrong
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2005, 11:56:21 PM »
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how much of that plane is origional? the forward glass doesnt appear to be as it looks like plexi glass glued in rather badly.

 I like the 109 view we got in ah, helps to have track ir to look around the bars tho.


Dont know how you can say that unless you have a masochistic streak in you LOL

With all due respect to HTC The 109 forward view is atrocious IMO

and not all of us have Track IR.
Safe bet to say the vast majority dont.
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2005, 12:07:12 AM »
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BINGO!

Nath and I were talking about this before. Glad someone else noticed the same thing. :)


Its been something thats bothered me for a while.
Just like with the 190s it doesnt make sence that a plane would have such poor visability when a huge part of success and surviving depended on being able to see.
Particularly for a fighter.
The way it is now your practically fighting blind
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Re: Like the 190s were 109 cockpit views are wrong
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2005, 12:21:31 AM »
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HTC, please. It bad enough the 109's flight charactoristics has been dummied down somewhat.

 


You dicked yourself right there...

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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2005, 12:27:48 AM »
Oh come now, Dred, you're saying you wouldn't want to try to cherry pick a p51 while diving at 400mph looking out a 6x6" hole if your life really depended on it?

Funny, me neither. I still have trouble reconciling the forward views of a plane like, for instance, our 51B vs the 109s. I know the 109s were small, and cramped cockpits et al, but I think we've got an issue with scale or head position or something. Forward visibility is horrific at best.
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2005, 01:21:22 AM »
there should be a transparent bar option in settings to represent sterio vision for those having these sorts of visibility problems, i have seen it in another sim and it works well, tho i dont prefer it after i stoped using the hatswitch.

tho the bars on the 109 are so thick that i bet in real life even with sterio vision it was tough, so maybe partialy transparent bars to keep it realistic.

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Like the 190s were 109 cockpit views are wrong
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2005, 01:46:39 AM »
As a P38G driver most of the time, I have no sympathy for you 109 view complainers at all :)
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Re: Re: Like the 190s were 109 cockpit views are wrong
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2005, 02:33:19 AM »
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You dicked yourself right there...


Really?
You a member of HTC under a shades account of just a mindreader so as to claim to know what their reaction would be?

No matter what I've said about the game good or bad I have always done so in the light and with the intent of being fair to everyone.
Somehow I think the folks at HTC might have been able to figure that out all on their lonesome and also know that no malice is intended by that statement.

And even if it were. Do you honestly think HTC would NOT fix something that as wrong and effects a good number of other people other then just myself simply because I said something?

I give them just a weeee bit more credit then that

IF I were HTC I'd be more annoyed at you for making that assumption then by anything I might have said
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