Author Topic: US intelligence: Israel will attack (Read 1610 times)

Gh0stFT · « **on:** July 20, 2001, 08:41:00 PM »

US intelligence: Israel will attack

better hurry with the missile defense, this here could explode.

mrfish · « **Reply #1 on:** July 21, 2001, 03:04:00 AM »

they can afford to be brave with big daddy usa supporting them.

it is a shame we have anything to do with the criminal israeli regime.

the public is too busy grazing and regurgitating their cud to realize we are supporting an oppressive regime and have been since '49. maybe someday public opinion will change when the almighty television suggests we apply our lofty morals to all countries and not turn a blind eye when it's our "ally". thats not likely.

i wish their was a way i could spit right through the computer at israel.

janneh · « **Reply #2 on:** July 21, 2001, 03:27:00 AM »

Uh oh!
Quite hard statement.
If israel attacks, is it justified or not?
Has israel right to defends its people from palestinians continous (daily) terrorism?
You know it's not just throwing rocks, palestinians has lots of different weapons and they use them.
I think palestinians should considered themselves as a lucky as Israel is civilized nation.
Not offence.

SageFIN · « **Reply #3 on:** July 21, 2001, 04:19:00 AM »

This particular issue has very many sides.

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #4 on:** July 21, 2001, 04:25:00 AM »

Israel was attacked by the arabs the day after they founded the state.And hes been under attack eversince.Calling them oppressive is outrageous.I lived there for some time,and I saw that arabs that aren`t causing problems have the same rights as any other citizen.But I saw the news,about bombings of schoolbuses,and shopping centers.And I saw the flowers on the street where people died,and heard the stories of what it`s like to see decapitated people,and dismembered childeren laying around in blood right after a scuicide bombing.And if that wasn`t enough,the arabs are finding ingenious methods for killing more.Send in a secound bomb when people are gathered helping the injured,or attach some hepatitisB on the bombs.
It`s redicilous.I`m not saying the israeles are not guilty of anything,but they don`t have much of a choice.
Saddam would have terminated all that oppose him by now.There are no gas attacks in Israel.

mrfish · « **Reply #5 on:** July 21, 2001, 03:34:00 PM »

"Has israel right to defends its people from palestinians continous (daily) terrorism?"

see this is why i have diminishing faith in the public. current opinion holds that it is the palestinians harassing the israeli jews! the jews have no right to be there in the first place they should expect resistance!

"Israel was attacked by the arabs the day after they founded the state.And hes been under attack eversince"

wha...? what do you mean founded? do you mean the day the jews came and kicked the arabs off their land against their will? those bastard arabs! how dare they dislike that. they should have bent over like a good subjugated people.

if you will jump into the way-back machine with me for a minute we can go back to 1949. what you will see are foreign jews occupying palestine and removing the residents from their homes!

the palestinians, contrary to pop culture, didnt just decide to be ugly to the jews one day for no reason, they were invaded and they have been resisting for 50 years!!!! thats like invading a country and then getting pissed because the people are resisting! ludicrous.

while we are in 1949, you will also see the resident arabs remarkably suggesting that they all share the land under a representative government based on population with no segregation. (ya know kinda like the united states!)then you will see the jews lobbying and buying political favors before a crucial UN vote to make sure this doesnt happen and that they are granted control of an autonmous state on someone else's land. you support these people?

8% of the popluation (palestinian jews) ended up with 50% of the land!!!!!!!!!! 1/3 of arab owned land was confiscated!! some other arabs had to leave there home in a nice part of israel and take some crappy patch out in the desert. without any recourse - this is something americans should support? you are ok with this morally?

how would you feel if someome from another country came to YOUR OWN house and told you that you were going to have to move?? what if you lived in beverly hills and you were told your new home was in the nevada desert in a shack and that you had to have a pass if you wanted to come back?

would you have criticised the french for resisting aganst the nazis? what if 50 years had gone by and the nazis still occupied france - what if a whole vacuous generation had been born in the mean time that actually grew up thinking it was the french that were problem? would everyone be looking down at the pesky rock-throwing french that continued to resist?

i dont feel anyone has given it a moments thought from the arab pov - we certainly aren't encouraged to as americans. i dont condone terrorism at all, but at the same time, we wouldnt be a target for terrorists if we hadn't helped the jews bully them off their land. if we did the right thing then we could take the moral high ground. they were kicked off thier land and occupied by a foreign power and we helped do it. israeli jews have this 'eternal victim' status that keeps them form being scrutinized by the west.

we should do the right thing now and stop our support for israel altogether. In 1996 the U.S. gave Israel $1.8 billion in military aid and $1.3 billion in economic aid grants--constituting 25% of total U.S. foreign aid. we are a major part of what's happening over there.

Nashwan · « **Reply #6 on:** July 21, 2001, 04:01:00 PM »

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I lived there for some time,and I saw that arabs that aren`t causing problems have the same rights as any other citizen.

Not quite the same. Arabs living in Israel get the vote. Arabs living in the West Bank and Gaza do not get the vote, but Israeli settlers living in the same areas do.
If the Palestinians have no vote in real elections then their only real recourse is to violence. The more Israel cracks down, the more Israel takes from them, the more suicide bombers there will be.
If the Palestinian Authority is driven out of the West Bank and Gaza, things may return to the way they were in the early 80s, with Palestinians staging attacks on Israeli interests worldwide. As the backer of the Israeli government, and the only force that enables them to take their constant hardline, the US can probably look forward to it's share of attacks too.
The US really needs to stop writing blank shecks for the Israeli government to sign. It might force them to negotiate a deal with the Palestinians. At the moment Israel's position seems to be that all concessions must come from the Palestinians, which given the position they are in is hardly possible.

Nashwan · « **Reply #7 on:** July 21, 2001, 04:47:00 PM »

Oh, just sae this on the BBC website too.

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The Israeli army is preparing to open call-up centres in nine cities around the world in case it needs to summon citizens living or travelling abroad for military service.
The offices are due to open in New York, Los Angeles, London, Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Bombay, Bangkok and Johannesburg, and a South American location is being considered as well.
A military spokeswoman told the Reuters news agency that the centres were being organised because the army has to be "prepared for every eventuality".

An Israeli officer told the daily newspaper Yediot Ahronot that the army would only begin recruiting from abroad if the ongoing low-level conflict escalates.

"Israelis tend to fly back home very quickly in times of crisis," Lieutenant Colonel Zaher Atef told the newspaper.

mrfish · « **Reply #8 on:** July 21, 2001, 04:54:00 PM »

if my previous post sounds angry i apologize - this topic riles me more than any other. here are some other little tidbits about our involvement with israel:

- since the end of the cold war foreign aid has been cut by half. many us citizens were put out of work as bases closed. our aid to israel remained intact however with no decrease.

- most of our foreign aid dollars require the country to buy goods and services form the us - our deal with israel does not.

- some of our foreign aid money is designated to jumpstart israels own foreign aid policy!!!! in otherwords we are giving them money to give to other people.

- we are backing their loans up to 2 BILLION dollars. they are loaning money and making gobs of interest and have nothing to lose because we foot the bill if they fail and nothiung to gain - the interest goes to them!! they make huge money at the expense of others and do no work to get it.

- of the 1.8 billion we spend on military aid almost 1/2 is allocated for their own research and development! if any of you are in science or have to fight for grants to do what you do, you understand why this is amazing.

- on top of cash spending we also provide their various government departments with free software and build their infrastructure from a seperate fund.

each year the money that goes to israel is the untouchable. they have an extremely well organized lobby here that shamelessly parades holocaust survivors when their pocketbook might suffer. it is time to look at who is playing who here. they simply wont play fair until they wake up alone, surrounded by arabs and with no usa in sight...

Boroda · « **Reply #9 on:** July 21, 2001, 08:35:00 PM »

Didn't even read the previous posts.

Israel protects itself from Moslim terrorism.

Chechens sponsored by Saudi Arabian vakhhabits, Albanians sponsored by US and NATO, so-called "palestinians" sponsored by all Moslim world...

Israel stands alone in front of the whole Arabic surroundings.

WTG Israel.

funkedup · « **Reply #10 on:** July 22, 2001, 01:23:00 PM »

Boroda your anti-Moslim stuff sounds a lot like some guys talking about "communistic imbeciles".

I'm with Mrfish. Cut the cord.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #11 on:** July 22, 2001, 01:32:00 PM »

Then Israel sells the stuff we pay for to China....

I really dont get it. What is Israel contributing to the USA for such special treatment?

Swager · « **Reply #12 on:** July 22, 2001, 02:12:00 PM »

It seems the USA have always been pawns of Israel. That is just my outlook of it from what I have seen in the past 20 years. Alot of people I know, feel the same way. It seems like they just use us for their own good.

Answer this question: Do you think if Israel could make their life alittle bit better by wiping out the USA, do you think they would do it?

Yes, we should cut the cord.

This is just my humble opinion and not one necessarily shared by the rest of my family!

Hangtime · « **Reply #13 on:** July 22, 2001, 02:26:00 PM »

Wanna know whats really scary?? They got nukes. And they will certainly use them if they feel 'justified'.

Whats about to happen over there should have us all toejamtin in our pants.

Cut the fediddlein cord. We owe them not the time of day.. they have cheated us; lied to us; attacked our intrests in the region, attacked our warships 'by accident'; stolen secrets; stole the 'bomb' from us and now they are about to steal or futures.

If Israel's moraly bankrupt political leaders want's to 'get tuff' on the palestinians, it's about high time we 'got tuff' with israel. Seise their assets in this country; cut off all aid, cancel all visa's and park the fleet right off the coast. establish a "no fly zone" and don't even LOOK hard at your neighbor" stance.

Bush: "First tank rolls into palestine gets yer assets seized in this country and a permanant cessation of all american aid. First palestinian town seized gets your forein trade closed down. That includes your oil, amazinhunk. First nuke you trigger guarentees a full unilateral reaction from the USA.. your children will all have 14 toes and 3 eyes. Care to cut the cards Mr. Sharon?"

fediddlein amazinhunks are REALLY begining to piss the world off... sad part is; like anyplace else... there's a few thousand jerks putting the lives of several million innocents in jepordy. If we let it happen, if Bush don't get tuff (the fediddlein liltwit won't) I suspect the next holocoust will be on our shoulders. Time we stopped playin "swiss bankers" to "Sharon's nazis".

Nashwan · « **Reply #14 on:** July 22, 2001, 02:49:00 PM »

Would there be enough support in America for cutting aid to Israel in event of a re-occupation of the West Bank?
I don't think the US needs to threaten blockade, or move carriers to the area. Israel cannot survive long term without American support. Cut off that money and Israel will seek peace pretty quickly.