Originally posted by hubsonfire
Okay, so I grab a form of B26s, lift off a runway, turn sharp, lose 2 drones, then kill 3 fighters and land. K/D of .75.
You can't determine how effective bombers are by looking at 2 stats. We all know exactly how bombers are used by a majority in here, and I think it's a safe assumption that the guys who, for example, up 88s and b26s ,continuously slamming them into the side of a fleet are certainly affecting the stats.
Spend some time in bombers, practice gunning. You'll be surprised.
First, a brief math pointer. 3 Kills divided by 2 deaths equals 1.5 KPD.
Getting the ratio right in your eaxmple would require getting ONE kill while losing all three in your formation.
MA totals were something like 80000 deaths and 30000 kills for level bombers last tour. It worked out to 0.37 kpd. This means that level bombers did slightly worse than the Hurri2D (the one with 40mm) and a bit better than the C.202. Would you want to weaken the attacking power of either of those rides?
Here's tour 71 data Like I said, I used to fly buffs a lot. Now I'm essentially exclusively in fighters. (I am trying IL-2 as capped base defense, but I'm 0-6....thats obviously not going well).
I dont consider myself all that good, but I'm 26-1 attacking buffs this month. My
only death came when I got greedy and collided. IN the MA world, buffs are
FUNCTIONALLY very weak. Yes, a skilled pilot and gunner will own 95% of solo attackers -- but there are very few with those skills who floy buffs a lot. If I take pings at extreme ranges, I will only make VERY safe runs -- and will consider just looking for safer meat to hunt.
Watch the typical MA attack on buffs. 90% will climb slowly up to the buffs and attack from the 6 position, with very little E. Even when attackers start with extra alt, they almost always dive onto the 6, fly over the top, pull back, and park on the 6 again. When I'm setting up an attack, I really dont mind if someone else attacks first -- because almost every time, the attacker just pulls up behind and hacks away at the bomber.
Blaming the MA buff model is no different than blaming the unperked LA7. Either way, its not that hard to beat if you do it right -- and either way, a good pilot driving the bird is plain scary. But, most La7 pilots are inexperienced, and most buff drivers are killable.
AH buffs are NOT too strong a force in gameplay. The numbers show it. If you routinely are dying to buffs, your tactics are at fault -- either attack right, or dont press a losing attack because your bloodlust is up. With all due respect, I'd have to say dont blame the model because youre not doing things right.
