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Offline Oldman731

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38G or Spit 5?
« on: January 04, 2006, 03:17:35 PM »
The interesting lesson for me this week is that I'm more fearful of meeting a well-flown P-38G than the "new" Spit 5.

(Although I have observed that many who are flying 38Gs should spend some more time learning their quirks.)

What's your experience?

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38G or Spit 5?
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2006, 03:23:19 PM »
The Spit V was defanged in the last update.  Half the cannon loadout.
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2006, 03:33:08 PM »
I think both are very competetive in the right hands.  the key is that now the outcome of the fight is determined by the player and not the vehicle.  to me the rediculous hurricane is the deadliest plane in the allied inventory this week.  it can kill you out to 1.2k, far too gamey for a plane that was relegated to the ground attack role in 1942 because it was not competetive against the frontline fighters it ran up against.  on the other hand the same could be said about the Bf110C I had no problem turning it against all but the Hurri and then it depended on who was in the Hurri.

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Re: 38G or Spit 5?
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2006, 03:36:11 PM »
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Originally posted by Oldman731
The interesting lesson for me this week is that I'm more fearful of meeting a well-flown P-38G than the "new" Spit 5.

(Although I have observed that many who are flying 38Gs should spend some more time learning their quirks.)

What's your experience?

- oldman


Won't fly the Spit as long as there are American planes. I've been trying to learn the 38, but like you said I has a few quirks, and I'm struggling in it. I've been flying the P-40e some , but if the LW guy knows what he's doing your pretty hard pressed to win in it. So back to banging my head against the 38 I guess.:aok

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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2006, 03:50:35 PM »
38G is a great plane. About a month and storch and I were defending a base in the MA agenst some seafires and I needed something that could turn inside them so I hoped in one. I was pwning them left and right becasue they thought I wouldnt beable to hang with a spit lets just say they learned the hard way over and over again. Only thing you need to know is once your slow dont try to roll over. If they try a sissor in a turn fight keep turning the way you are youll get them on the other side of the turn.
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2006, 04:08:24 PM »
I've seen my best luck in the spitV. If I'm on the deck, which I usually am, I find that I can at least control the fight... to a point. The 38G, well... I just never could get my head wrapped around a twin engine fighter, that's just a personal limitation I need to get over.

The P-40E, yeah, what Shifty said. If you're up against someone who knows LW iron, then it's not going to end well; too many weaknesess to be exploited in my opinion. Then again, I'm sure a more veteran stick would teach me a thing or two in it.

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Re: Re: 38G or Spit 5?
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2006, 04:35:01 PM »
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I've been trying to learn the 38, but like you said I has a few quirks, and I'm struggling in it.

Grits taught me the best lesson in the 38G, which was:  when you use the flaps (which you should do a lot), don't pull heavy Gs.  Let the flaps do the work for you.  Once you get the hang of that, you fly it like you'd fly a spitfire.  Pretty amazing plane.

Same technique works with the Corsair.

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Re: Re: Re: 38G or Spit 5?
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2006, 06:19:38 PM »
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Grits taught me the best lesson in the 38G, which was:  when you use the flaps (which you should do a lot), don't pull heavy Gs.  Let the flaps do the work for you.  Once you get the hang of that, you fly it like you'd fly a spitfire.  Pretty amazing plane.


Its hard to do, but even moreso than other planes you really have to avoid the temptation to pull more AoA (Angle of Attack) as you slow down in the 38G. Like Oldman said, walk the flaps down and keep light (lighter than you think at first) stick pressure and the plane will turn much faster than if you are forcing it to pull max AoA. It is capable of more AoA before it stalls, but your turn rate is actually less and you are in much more danger of one of those flat spins.

Even the defanged SpitV is more dangerous than a P-38G IMO, although its a very close run thing. The Spit is....well its a Spit, 'nuff said, even with 12+ boost and less ammo, I dont fear anything in one. The 38G is better in the vertical than the SpitV, turns darn near as well, longer range and has better gun placement.

The P-38Gs two biggest problems are like all 38's its too big a target for my tastes, and the HORRID monstrosity they call armored glass. The armored glass severely limits forward view is critical areas for making passing snapshots as people overshoot. That is something I just am not willing to deal with.

Between the P-40E and the P-38G I'll take the P-40E any day if for no other reasons than the smaller target and better forward view.

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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2006, 06:24:10 PM »
The G is awsome OM!,, I've learned it quite well in the CT that I'm flying it in the MA, racking up the perk points.

Unbelievable Looping abilities, just have to control your E (no wep).
Flat turn anytime, cuts inside most LW planes. Take the small gun package;)

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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2006, 06:27:35 PM »
I prefer the 38. When I set one on fire it burns a long time and provides nice ambient lighting.  Kinda reminds me of sitting around the campfire when I was a kid.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: 38G or Spit 5?
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2006, 07:48:52 PM »
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Even the defanged SpitV is more dangerous than a P-38G IMO, although its a very close run thing. The Spit is....well its a Spit, 'nuff said, even with 12+ boost and less ammo, I dont fear anything in one. The 38G is better in the vertical than the SpitV, turns darn near as well, longer range and has better gun placement.

Seems to me that the 38G is faster than the Spit5, which is what makes it a more dangerous plane.  My 202 can run down a spit5, but just keeps pace with the 38.

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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2006, 08:33:20 PM »
P-38G
0K: 326mph
5k: 344mph
10k: 359mph
20k: 386mph


Spit V only does about 309 with WEP if I remember (or has it dropped since the boost went back down??) so the 38G definitely has a 25mph advantage.

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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2006, 09:00:24 PM »
from my experience the spit and the P38 are about equal, perhaps I habitually do what grits said regarding the control imput from playing the 190, you can't be ham fisted in the 190 and I tend to play everything as if it were a 190.  I barely move the joystick 1/4" while playing.

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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2006, 09:56:34 PM »
P-40 should have owned this set up.

Offline Yeager

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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2006, 09:57:30 PM »
I love the 38G air intakes :)

I havent done too well in the 38G this map.  Actually, I dont think Ive ever flown a 38G in game before this map.  The last sortie or two I was becoming aware that getting and conserving energy seem to be the most important aspect, and staying in vertical combat.

Other than that I have a hard time seeing through both the armor glass plate and the sight glass.  Especially in low sun times, the opacity gets real hard to see through.

I want to fly it more though.  I just got out of a good scrap with OM, he 38G me 190A5 and he nearly had me, except that I damaged his 20mm and left engine on the initial low deflection head on pass, this enabled me to survive the ensuing combat until his engine petered out and he went into the drink.  

But he flew it very very well and I learned alot just from watching him trail me (minus the 20mm).

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