Author Topic: Boeing - 2005 best sales year ever (Read 1304 times)

Furball · « **Reply #15 on:** January 06, 2006, 12:59:44 PM »

has anyone read the Da Vinci Code?

why do i picture Beet1e as Sir Leigh Teabing?

Ripsnort · « **Reply #16 on:** January 06, 2006, 01:31:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Furball
has anyone read the Da Vinci Code?

why do i picture Beet1e as Sir Leigh Teabing?

Vulcan · « **Reply #17 on:** January 06, 2006, 03:56:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Habu
Boeing is winning these sales based on one thing alone - design.

Their aircraft do what their customers want better than the Airbus aircraft are able to do.

Every major Airbus sale in the past 15 years has been tainted with corruption and government influence. The purchase of Airbus by Air Canada back in the late 80's was so tainted that it almost lead to charges against the former prime minister at the time.

Ermmm and what do you think Boeing does hand in hand with the US Govt? The US Govt has had its handed smacked so many times by the WTO its we wonder yif ou actually know what the term "free trade" means, the USA is subsidy central for its industry. On top of this the Europeans have caught out competitive information being passed on by sources such as echelon to US companies.

I'd expect my govt to do the same, its a dog eat dog world. But uhhh calling the US winning "capitalists" and pointing the finger at airbus and screaming socialist dealers/subsidies/etc is kinda ironic given the practises of the US.

Habu · « **Reply #18 on:** January 06, 2006, 04:57:55 PM »

When Boeing was competing against Douglas and Lockheed the competion was fair. There is a good interview with the designer of the 747 where he talks about this.

When Airbus came on scene the rules changed. Boeing and the US government did not realize how drastically the rules had changes until things like the Air Canada order in the early 80's showed what was going on.

beet1e · « **Reply #19 on:** January 06, 2006, 05:45:54 PM »

See Rule #16

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #20 on:** January 06, 2006, 06:45:57 PM »

rpm · « **Reply #21 on:** January 06, 2006, 07:49:54 PM »

How many of those were sold to China?

Dinger · « **Reply #22 on:** January 06, 2006, 09:59:43 PM »

Yeah, and how many people fly SIA to go to Singapore?
Or EK to go to the UAE?

Most of the world is pretty darn dense. One's experience with foreign (=not based in market 1000m around one's home) air carriers is usually going to be heavily biased towards the long-haul types.

I'm not gonna bash scarebus with a bunch of pro-amurrican flag-waving crap. The Skytanic is a technological marvel, and will be quite impressive. If it gets through the first few years without crashing, it might even sell. But I doubt it will ever become well-liked by passengers, crews or ground staff; and it'll probably lose lots of money.

Also, is Boeing by any chance inking contracts in USD and Airbus in Euros? If so, the cheap dolla in the bush era can make boeings a great deal.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #23 on:** January 06, 2006, 10:47:59 PM »

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Most of the world is pretty darn dense.

The average density is about 5500 kg/m3

Debonair · « **Reply #24 on:** January 07, 2006, 12:32:32 AM »

The rich parts are closer to 19g/cc

Vulcan · « **Reply #25 on:** January 07, 2006, 03:19:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Habu
When Boeing was competing against Douglas and Lockheed the competion was fair. There is a good interview with the designer of the 747 where he talks about this.

When Airbus came on scene the rules changed. Boeing and the US government did not realize how drastically the rules had changes until things like the Air Canada order in the early 80's showed what was going on.

US int'l trade practises (including subsidies and illegal tarrifs), and echelon predate Airbus somewhat.

No cigar...

beet1e · « **Reply #26 on:** January 07, 2006, 07:27:45 AM »

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Originally posted by Dinger
Yeah, and how many people fly SIA to go to Singapore?

Tens of thousands every day, possibly even more. Singapore is a major hub between Europe and Australia. SIA operates three flights a day to Singpore from London Heathrow alone, and operates flights to Singapore from no fewer than 8 other European cities. SIA also operates flights between Singapore and five Australian cities, plus two in New Zealand. In total, SIA operates flights from Singapore to 58 destinations in 32 countries around the world. Their smallest plane is the A340, but there are also B747-400s and several variants of B777. In my experience, they fill every seat - even on a short 1hr hop across the equator to Jakarta by B747-400. How's that to be going on with?

Harry · « **Reply #27 on:** January 07, 2006, 07:57:24 AM »

I've flown on Airbus' (where'd the tail go?!), Boeings (goes BOOM for no apparent reason) and Tupolevs (look mom, a mountain!). Same ch!t different name.

Habu · « **Reply #28 on:** January 07, 2006, 08:34:25 AM »

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Tens of thousands every day, possibly even more. Singapore is a major hub between Europe and Australia. SIA operates three flights a day to Singpore from London Heathrow alone, and operates flights to Singapore from no fewer than 8 other European cities. SIA also operates flights between Singapore and five Australian cities, plus two in New Zealand. In total, SIA operates flights from Singapore to 58 destinations in 32 countries around the world. Their smallest plane is the A340, but there are also B747-400s and several variants of B777. In my experience, they fill every seat - even on a short 1hr hop across the equator to Jakarta by B747-400. How's that to be going on with?

Actually few of those people flying into Singapore are going to Singapore. They are stopping there and changeing planes.

Beetle Singapore is exactly the type of place that is praying that the 380 type of flying takes off. If it becomes possible to fly direct from Europe or the US to all those places in Asia (Kuala Lumpur, Jakarta, Australia, New Zealand, Bali, Bangkok) that currently you have pass though a hub to get to then Singapore is going to suffer big time.

I must have passed though Singapore a dozen times when I was working in Jakarta. I hated stopping there it was a total waste of time. I just wanted to get to Jakarta so I could go to my favorite bar and see my favorite waitresses. Who wants to buy crappy $12 a can beer in an overpriced police state while you lay over when you can fly direct to your destination and have more time there?

Singapore is working hard to make it a destination and it does have a big international business base mainly because it is more developed than the frontier type of living that you find in the countries around it, but the days of crappy phones, poor electricity and run down infrastructure were fast ending for Indonesia when I was there. I saw big companies relocating out of Singapore to Jakarta to be closer to their markets. Singapore is so tiny it is not a real market for anything compared to the potential of Indonesia and Malaysia and the rest of the Asian countries around there.

Singapore is a good hub and centrally located but long distance wide body planes could easily start to overfly the place just as Gandor Newfoundland and Shannon Ireland found themselves off the travel map when jets got longer range in the 60's.

Look for SIA to continue be a big supporter of Airbus. They have no choice.

beet1e · « **Reply #29 on:** January 07, 2006, 10:14:07 AM »

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Originally posted by Habu
Actually few of those people flying into Singapore are going to Singapore. They are stopping there and changeing planes.

Oh I know. If they were all to stop there, the place would be bursting at the seams!

But how close are we to having a plane that can, for example, fly from London to Melbourne nonstop with ~400 passengers aboard? I know it's been done with the A340, but they had to strip it down and convert it into a flying gas can.

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waitresses

Well, that's an interesting euphemism.