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Offline Yeager

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« on: January 05, 2006, 02:10:25 PM »
According to the local news, 2005 saw a new record total of "Net" sales of 1,002 Boeing commercial airplanes including:

737 = 569

777 = 154

787 = 235

747 = 43

PS: Apparently, in 2005, fifteen 767s were sold but fourteen 717s orders were canceled allowing for only one net gain here...that brings the above orders of 1,001 to a net total of 1,002

The best follow up year was 1988 with 877 net orders
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2006, 02:16:17 PM »
What did airbus do?

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Yea!
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2006, 02:37:31 PM »
As of 12/17 report linked above
 
Airbus  732 Total    
 
Boeing  863 Total
 
 Capitalism wins again.:D

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Re: Yea!
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2006, 03:09:32 PM »
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As of 12/17 report linked above
 
Airbus  732 Total    
 
Boeing  863 Total
 
 Capitalism wins again.:D


well if you look at previous years... i would remove word "again" ;)

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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2006, 03:51:25 PM »
Your sense of history only goes back to... what... 2000?
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2006, 05:30:36 PM »
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Your sense of history only goes back to... what... 2000?

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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2006, 05:56:38 PM »
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Your sense of history only goes back to... what... 2000?

1989...:confused:

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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2006, 06:46:31 PM »
$ went down, go buy cheap :)
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2006, 06:52:39 PM »
wasnt meant to be a dig at Airbus.  This is good news for Boeing.  Airbus has a great and full family of Airplanes and will no doubt maneover to keep Boeing at bay.

Lots of changes at Boeing in the last few years and I think they are all good changes.  Phil Condit ran a sloppy poor ship and I am pleased that he is gone.
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2006, 07:02:22 PM »
Boeing is winning these sales based on one thing alone - design.

Their aircraft do what their customers want better than the Airbus aircraft are able to do.

Every major Airbus sale in the past 15 years has been tainted with corruption and government influence. The purchase of Airbus by Air Canada back in the late 80's was so tainted that it almost lead to charges against the former prime minister at the time.

Despite the best efforts to tie aircraft sales to low interest loans, to forgive development costs and to just out and out subsidize the company, the European consortium that owns Airbus is seeing a rival that awaked and responded to the challenge in a way that is impossible to beat.

Make a product so good even existing loyal Airbus customers cannot ignore it. Air Canada will be retiring its Airbus planes in the next 10 years and they have just switched to Boeing again in a massive way. If any country or company is Airbus friendly it is Air Canada. When Airbus lost that order I knew they were going to be in trouble.

BTW the jury is out on the 380. The Concord was the right plane for the wrong market and was launched with great fanfare and many orders (later cancelled) when the realities of the 72 fuel crisis and mass discount travel changed the market. I believe the thinking that lead to the development of the plane was a carry over from the trans-atlantic steamship wars. The way to capture the market for steamship lines was to launch the fastest boat. Once you had the fastest boat you skimmed the cream of the transatlantic travel from your rivals. This thinking did not work when applied to aircraft travel. Protected air routes and high speeds were not able to compete with more passengers and lower seat costs. An excellent and safe design then died as a commercially viable aircraft.

Todays market is changing again. The hub and spoke system is no longer necessary with long range aircraft that carry smaller loads farther and economically. People want to get to their destinations quicker by not having to change planes. Filling 380's on all but the busiest routes will be hard. And how much of the traffic on those busy routes is transient travellers who would switch to direct flights if given the chance. Do you really think that all those hundreds of thousands of people streaming into Heathrow each week are going there to visit London?

I personally believe that the 380 best hope will be cargo. As a passenger aircraft it will have very limited success.
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2006, 05:52:08 AM »
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Todays market is changing again. The hub and spoke system is no longer necessary with long range aircraft that carry smaller loads farther and economically. People want to get to their destinations quicker by not having to change planes. Filling 380's on all but the busiest routes will be hard. And how much of the traffic on those busy routes is transient travellers who would switch to direct flights if given the chance. Do you really think that all those hundreds of thousands of people streaming into Heathrow each week are going there to visit London?

I personally believe that the 380 best hope will be cargo. As a passenger aircraft it will have very limited success.
From an American perspective, I can see why this would make a lot of sense. On the US mainland there are hundreds of cities, and folks want the flexibility to get from point to point at the time of their own choosing, so it's important to offer multiple flights with a choice of times. For this reason, the backbone of the world's largest airline, American Airlines, is the MD80 and NOT something more grandiose like the 747-400. Indeed, AA does not have any 747s and as far as I know they never did.

But the geography of the wider world is nothing like the USA, as I'm sure you know, as you're familiar with Indonesia. Been to TG lately? ;)

Some people use logic which states that the largest countries will have the largest aircraft, and it's flawed. Singapore is a tiny country of around 250 square miles, and yet SIA's smallest aircraft is the four engined A340. The reason is simple if you look at a map of that area. Of the 59 destinations to which SIA flies, only about 6 are within 1000 miles of Singapore. They operate a service to Los Angeles - a distance of 14000km - with nothing but a lot of water in between. Look at the spareness of destinations in the Asia-Australia-Pacific areas, and the distances to be covered. This tells us why the watchwords for the airlines operating there will be size, and range.

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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2006, 08:05:12 AM »
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