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Offline leonid

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« Reply #120 on: October 10, 2001, 02:21:00 AM »
What a frickin' mess   :rolleyes:
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« Reply #121 on: October 10, 2001, 05:06:00 AM »
I didn't read all th posts in this thread, it's become too long...

Naso, media is a very dangerous thing. You're right: we all, Russians and Americans are fed with roadkill  :( I was worried about civilian casualities because Russian media just said "They bomb Kabul, Kandagar and other cities". Later they mentioned that military targets are under attack, not population. But after Vietnam and Yugoslavia most of the Russians will think: "Damn yankees bomb innocent people again!". And it's not only Russian media that covers it this way, on Euronews I hear the same words. The problem is that on different languages they give different feelings, and national mentalities are different too.

BTW, American "patriotic" songs like "Air Force coming to flatten your home" make me mad. Flatten your home! What a crap! Those singers are no better then terrorists. It may be pretty funny in English, but if you'll translate it into Russian...

Toad, butterfly mines were never deliberately used against children. They were usually used to cut off the retreating "dushmans". I don't know about American mines, but Soviet "butterfly" mines self-destructed after some time, to minimize any possible harm for the civilians and our own troops.

OTOH, many Soviet soldiers suffered from trap-mines that looked like pens, tape-recorders, thermos-flasks and other bright coloured stuff that Soviet people liked so much...

RedAnt: very good notice about Coke and Levi's.

I support the anti-terrorist operation too. It's the first time in many years when US and Russia fight against one enemy. But people have to realise that Chechens, Talibs and Albanians are in fact one gang, fed from same sources and helping each others (yes, there are Talib and Arab "volunteers" in Chechnya, and even one of the Chechen "field commanders", emir Hattab is an Arab from Jordan), while we still are throwing toejam at each other and saying slogans about "human rights".
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« Reply #122 on: October 10, 2001, 08:21:00 AM »
Hey Thrawn..

*<CENSORED>*

And yer little dog, too.
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« Reply #123 on: October 10, 2001, 08:34:00 AM »
Fek!  You owe me a new dog!
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« Reply #124 on: October 10, 2001, 12:20:00 PM »
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Specifically, it seems you despise the whole Quaker faith.

Hardly. Quaker has nothing to do with it at all; it's independent of religion. Like Mills, I consider this group of folks to be "miserable creatures", kept free by the exertions of better men. I think Mills described it very well.

Pity is an accurate description... the way you would pity the Dodo, in Vulcan's excellent "evolutionary stub" example.


 
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I also thought you were better than character assasination. Clearly I was wrong, although your use of Mill's 19th century rhetoric for that purpose is quite commendable.

I characterized him, IN MY OPINION, as one of a GROUP... "freedom's freeloaders". If there was any "assasination" of his character, it was actually a suicide.
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« Reply #125 on: October 10, 2001, 12:43:00 PM »
hehe toad. i like davinci's desrciption of people as 'pitious sacks of food'.
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« Reply #126 on: October 10, 2001, 04:22:00 PM »
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Quaker has nothing to do with it at all; it's independent of religion.

Yeah, those atheistic Quakers are on the increase. And lets not get started with those Muslim Quakers.

It is not independant of religion - religion is central to it, and specifically the interpretation of a religious text, as far as I can see.

 
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Like Mills, I consider this group of folks to be "miserable creatures", kept free by the exertions of better men.

So where do you stand on Quaker involvement as battlefield stretcher bearers and ambulance drivers? 'Miserable creatures'?
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« Reply #127 on: October 10, 2001, 04:28:00 PM »
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« Reply #128 on: October 10, 2001, 08:58:00 PM »
God save me from religion.
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« Reply #129 on: October 10, 2001, 09:37:00 PM »
Well, holy moly.

mrfish, I didn't say the two were mutually exclusive. However, most people are ignoring examination of foreign policy in favor of beating down on Afghanistan.

Just to inform you, my stance on any of these issues has not changed. A change in resource allocation is not the same as a change in position. And FWIW, I do not recall ever discussing my feelings about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict on this board.

Toad, please stop your personal attacks, as well as your remarks about those who share my beliefs (non-Quakers as well as Quakers). Stating my beliefs is not and should not be a case of what you are calling "character suicide." I'll let them speak for themselves. If people wish to disqualify them, let them do it for themselves. I have refrained from attacking you personally on this board. Kindly extend the same courtesy to me.

And please apologize for your remarks.
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« Reply #130 on: October 11, 2001, 12:32:00 PM »
Ispar, I have not made any personal attacks on you (or anyone else) on this BBS.

I have nothing for which to apologize.

You feel free to post your beliefs on this board. So do I, and many, many other folks besides.

I don't agree with a lot of the things you have posted. Obviously your system of belief/world/life view is significantly different from mine. I have posted my opinions. However, I have made no "ad hominem" attacks against you personally.

Your oft expressed beliefs fit you into a category of "freedom's freeloaders" _ in my opinion._

If you think it doesn't apply, fine; then why the fuss? If it bothers you... maybe you should wonder why.

Ever been to Arlington, Ispar?
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« Reply #131 on: October 11, 2001, 12:39:00 PM »
Sorry if I confused you Dowding.

"Quaker" has nothing to do with my opinion of "freedom's freeloaders". They come in all sizes, shapes, colors, religions, sexes, etc. It's an equal opportunity category.

I don't despise "freedom's freeloaders" at all. I think pity is perhaps the closest description of my emotion with respect to them.

Conscientious Objectors that enlist as and serve as ambulance drivers and stretcher bearers quite obviously aren't freeloading then, are they?

Hope this clears it up for you.
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« Reply #132 on: October 11, 2001, 01:09:00 PM »
Well then Toad, I'm sorry for misreading you. Your statement is pretty easily misunderstood as an attack, but see it as you like, it's a free world.

What is it that makes you think I'm a "freeloader"? I do whatever I can to help, under the restrictions imposed upon me. Why are you implying that I am freeloading? I have not said anything to imply that, either directly, indirectly, or sub-conciously. And to say that I am, IS an attack. In my opinion of course.
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« Reply #133 on: October 11, 2001, 01:22:00 PM »
Well, that would indeed be your opinion then, to which you are of course entitled.

As for why I think you are one of "freedom's freeloaders"... that's pretty much been hammered around in other threads to no avail.

If you wish to start another thread on it, feel free to do so. I'll participate.
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« Reply #134 on: October 11, 2001, 01:32:00 PM »
And the score is..

Toad.. 47, Freedom's Freeloaders... Zip.

I wonder if the Freeloaders will try again..

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