Kabul is bombed.

[Vulcan]

Ispar actually Osama probably did wake up one day and say exactly that.

LOOK at the BS fed to children in the Palestinian schools: Promises of going to a wonderful heaven if they kill just one Jew on the way out. This is preached to 5 year olds.

The average RAGHEAD doesn't have a clue what he's fighting for. Hes poor, hes hungry, then along comes Multi-millionaire Osama, who feeds him, clothes, makes him happy, teaches him to fly, preaches USA is evil... WHAMMO.

A lot of the terrorists that flew those aircraft were Saudi's. Osama is (was) a Saudi. Tell me... WHO ATTACKED THE SAUDI's recently??? NO F**KING ONE THATS WHO!!! Osama decided to go to Afghanistan one day to fight the Ruski's, then he got pissed off because the USA kicked Saddam's arse. This mongrel is fighting wars that have nothing to do with his country. He rationalises it by claiming Americans are infidels and should not set foot on Islamic soil.

So take your rationalisation of massmurder and stick it up ur arse. Its people like you that try to validate people like Sadam, Hitler, and Osama. Next you'll be saying its not the massmurderers fault - it was the victims???

Osama Bin Laden was a bored rich kid gone wrong.

Get your facts right. Stop sticking up for psychopaths. PEOPLE LIKE YOU LET THE HOLOCAUST HAPPEN. PEOPLE LIKE YOU LET THE GENOCIDE OF CAMBODIA, BOSNIA, AND OTHER COUNTRIES HAPPEN. Same goes for the rest of the handsomehunk peace-core poking its head in here.

You might wonder why I get so 'emotional'. Well, most of my inlaws are Cambodian. For the past 14 years I've listened to their stories. While people like Ispar sat around 'rationalising' the Khmer Rouge these guys were slicing babies in half with machettes, decapitating families, raping, torturing... so everytime I hear this "karma" crap I wanna take one of these dweebs out and kick the living toejam out of his karma.

<breath out>

[-tronski-]

Originally posted by easymo:
 You could try to find your way to some taliban leaders.  you could try to talk them into peace.

Funny, didn't realise the Taliban were talking war?
Unfortunately with Australian SAS troops involved it's getting harder not dealing with the hypocrisy of all this. I just hope it's all worth it.

Tronsky

[ 10-09-2001: Message edited by: -tronski- ]

[Ping]

Why is everyone blaming the media for the propoganda? Could it possibly be that its also politically inspired?

[Naso]

No blame on media by itself, they are part of a system, economical controlled, more than political.

Blame on the system, spreading ignorance, intollerance, hatred, and bloodthirst everywhere in this world.

And we are seeing the results right now.

God bless the profit  

[ 10-09-2001: Message edited by: Naso ]

[Cabby44]

Quote:

"Blame on the system, spreading ignorance, intollerance, hatred, and bloodthirst everywhere in this world."

What "system"???

Quote:

"God bless the profit"

Do you have a job??  Do you work at all??  Do you produce anything?

You know, it's you Leftist/Socialist/Pacifists that should be quaking in your boots.  The Muslim Fundamentalists(and a good number of the mainstream Muslim population as well) despise you and your beliefs/lifestyles more than anything else.  Way over and above Capitalism they despise the moral values of "popular" Western Culture.

But don't worry, the conservative members of Western Society will fund, as well as fight, in defense against the Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorists so you can continue to lay-around and complain about the "evil" Capitalist Warmongers......

Cabby

[ 10-09-2001: Message edited by: Cabby44 ]

[Sky Viper]

sigh

OK, everyone pick a target, point, and lay blame.

The simple fact is that we has humans have inquisitive minds. This often leads us to assumptions that are wrong based on the limited delivery of the human mind who broadcasted the information we received.

I guess in that way, we do have to digest things a bit, but I don't see that it is propaganda. At least not in the way many think.  I don't see where I have been fed BS lies.
Even the Vietnam BS Lies that were part of Media disinformation and Peace movement BS were obvious to those who didn't allow themselves to be mislead.

One could even now say that this war was preplanned. HOW?
When G.W. Bush was elected, I said to a few friends, "We will be at war in the Middle East within the year."
Most of them said, "Tom, your just being paranoid." I don't look so paranoid now to them.
It is easy to think that G.W. Bush has enough contacts in the Oil world, and enough old Government contacts to get such a thing going.
I mean, what would be better for a man's historical record than to look like he lead the defeat of global terrorism?
I will be the first to tell you that that is extended paranoia, and I don't feel that would be correct.  I have a hard time believing any man (President) would commit such an action.  But, 9/11/01, several men proved that they will go to any extreme to support their own beliefs.

It is up to each of us to chose where we stand.
I chose to stand behind the leaders of the United States of America. Our system has proven itself to be the best at keeping it's citizens free!  

Viper
 

 

[straffo]

I'm posting here just to piss off the lowest form of bbs user I know.

[Naso]

Not bad Viper... dig more  

Eh, Straffo, I feel like shooting the Red Cross  

 

[Ripsnort]

Red Ant, you are from Russia, immigrant, no?

[fd ski]

Boroda, Leonid, Anton...

Przerazajace, co ?

Ripsnort
 

. Take it from me, I've lived in both (USSR for 15 years, USA for 22 years & counting).

Would be hell of a long vacation if he wasn't  

[ 10-09-2001: Message edited by: fd ski ]

[Naso]

ROTFL Fd-Ski  

And....

(Sound of trumpets)

You are the number 100 post, you win the prize!!

   

[Ripsnort]

hehe, sorry, my roadkill filter was set to high, missed that part.    Good thing I just now set it to "low", or I'd never saw your correction Fdski.  

[Toad]

A correction. Perhaps the Russian "Butterfly" mine was not designed as a "disguished toy". However, the result was petty much as if it had been.


 http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/mine/country/afghanis.htm

"The most infamous mine used during the Soviet Union's occupation period was the so-called 'butterfly' mine. Helicopter crews dropped untold numbers (figures range into the millions) of the small mines from the air. They were designed to flutter to the ground without exploding, and to thousands of children they resembled butterflys or toys. But one wing of the mine was filled with liquid explosive, designed to ignite and explode on contact, severing hands.

...


5 Nov 96 - According to statistics collected by Save the Children, of all mine and UXO-related injuries and deaths in Kabul in the past six months, 37% occured in October. Furthermore, children account for the majority of victims - in October alone , 78% (66 of 85) people injured and killed were children.


Mines found in Afghanistan and their origins
NR-127 Belgium
Type 69 China
Type 72 non-met China
PP-MI-SR Czech Republic
PP-MI-SR-II Czech Republic
PT-MI-K Czech Republic
Pt-Mi-K Czech Republic
SB-33 Italy
SH-55 Italy
TC-2.4 Italy
TC-3.6 Italy
MD-2 Pakistan
P2-Mark 3 Pakistan
G-Vata-6 Russian Federation
MON-100 Russian Federation
MON-200 Russian Federation
MON-50 Russian Federation
MON-90 Russian Federation
OZM-3 Russian Federation
OZM-4 Russian Federation
OZM-72 Russian Federation
OZM-UUK-AP Russian Federation
PDM-2 Russian Federation
PFM-1 Russian Federation
PFM-15 Russian Federation
PGMDM Russian Federation
PMD-6 Russian Federation
PMD-6M Russian Federation
PMN Russian Federation
PMN-2 Russian Federation
PMP Russian Federation
POMZ Russian Federation
POMZ-2 Russian Federation
POMZ-2M Russian Federation
TC-6-AT Russian Federation
TM-41 Russian Federation
TM-46 Russian Federation
TM-57 Russian Federation
TM-62 Russian Federation
TM-62M Russian Federation
TMB-44AT Russian Federation
TMDB Russian Federation
TMK-2 Russian Federation
TMN-46 Russian Federation
VS-MK2 Singapore
Mark-2 United Kingdom
Mark-7 United Kingdom
PMA-1A Yugoslavia
TMA-5 Yugoslavia
RAP-2 Zimbabwe"


 http://www.icrc.org/icrceng.nsf/c1256212004ce24e4125621200524882/6af491bd995f51ecc1256adb00514af5?OpenDocument

"From March 1998 to December 2000, the ICRC delegation in Afghanistan recorded 2,812 mine/UXO casualties, half of whom were children."

[Dinger]

Sure, target a Gulf-War era tomahawk (no screwing around and updating the electronics now) on my shack.  Let's see where it hits, and if it explodes.

Upholding the constitution and defending the laws of the United States is fine.  Saying "Well, I dunno if we should be sending troops to X, Y, and Z" is my right as an Amurrican.  If you want to accuse me of treason for that, fine.  The only way I could be guilty is if it is a treasonable offense to question this country's military. I will freely betray and actively work to overthrow my country if it places its military above scrutiny.  So there you go.

As for political philosophizing -- either do it yourself, or someone will do it for you.  I'm not willing to surrender our power of self-government without a fight.

As for the men and women putting their butts on the line, as you pointed out, they took an oath in which they pledged obedience with their lives.  They don't have the same liberties private citizens do, largely because they are the instruments of military policy.  We have the finest military on the planet, and I give them my fullest confidence that they will do the best damn job at whatever is handed them.
But Hell, we've questioned the job that's been handed to them before, so why can't we this time?  And before you go out calling me some long-haired hippy, I'll remind you that we've questioned the job from all sides.  It's not simply a bunch of pot-smoking morons demanding "peace", it's also the John Waynes insisting on unlimited conflict in times where political objectives and the threat of nuclear war kept things in check.
So, Hell, ya, I'll question our methods, but I'm fully confident in the ability of US soldiers to do what they've been trained to do.

Go ahead and make fun of my conspiracy theories, but the fact remains that we will need to find some sort of economic base for the new government of Afghanistan, and the easiest one to find is the one already there.  Of course, if we're too busy celebrating US righteousness, they will pull a fast one.

Sorry, freedom is nothing without eternal vigilance against enemies both within and without.

[Ripsnort]

From Toads link:

"We have enforced Islamic principles for the men and women of Afghanistan and the United Nations has no right to argue with them," Information Minister
Amir Khan Mutaqi told reporters. Mutaqi also denounced the London-based human rights agency Amnesty International, which criticised the Taliban's
treatment of women and ethnic minorities ina recent report.