FiX THE MOSSIE!

[Pooh21]

does the mossie do that horrible flat spin thing the 110 does? That just killed me in the MA now, I kill a spit then loop  up to get on an f6s tail, chop throttle and drop flaps, then I snap stall and go into the flat spin of death.

[Kev367th]

Yup, it also has a nasty habit of almost flipping on its back pulling out of a dive.

[Karnak]

Or tail sliding all the way down into the ground.

Harry,

You shouldn't talk about things you do not know about.  The Mossie was sold to the RAF as a PR aircraft and initially concieved as a bomber.  It was designed to do all three roles though.  It was designed that way from the ground up even if the RAF wasn't aware of it.

In addition a Mosquito Mk VI with a light fuel load and no bombs or rockets has better power loading than the Bf110G-2 as I recall.  The Merlin 25s each produce 1640hp and with the light fuel load it'll weigh about 16,500lbs.

Without the flame dampers it should do about 350-355mph on the deck.

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by Karnak
Harry,

You shouldn't talk about things you do not know about.  The Mossie was sold to the RAF as a PR aircraft and initially concieved as a bomber.  It was designed to do all three roles though.  It was designed that way from the ground up even if the RAF wasn't aware of it.

The Spec B.1/40 was for a bomber a/c. On their own initative deHavilland also made provision for guns or cameras. The fighter version flew ~3 weeks before the PR version and months after the bomber version had flown. The first order was for 20 bombers and 30 fighters. Ten of the bomber version were built as PR a/c. The first operation was flown by W4055, a PR version.

[Harry]

Originally posted by Karnak
Harry,

You shouldn't talk about things you do not know about.  

I'm not. You are.

[bozon]

Originally posted by Kev367th

b) First twin engine to land on a carrier.

Sweat, That one I did not know. I've never read about it operating from carriers (or was this just an experiment?). It was used by the navy yes, but from land bases in coastal defense duties.

Bozon

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Harry
I'm not. You are.

Demonstrate that.  The only person here who might know more about Mossies than I do, thus far, is Scherf.  Your flipant one liner does not qualify you.

[Angus]

Karnak, don't count Milo out his library is quite a line
And Harry, who are you. Sound familiar?

[Karnak]

That's true Angus.

No, Harry is not Kurfurst.  He predates Kurfurst's departure.

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by bozon
Sweat, That one I did not know. I've never read about it operating from carriers (or was this just an experiment?). It was used by the navy yes, but from land bases in coastal defense duties.

Bozon

De Havilland Sea Mosquito TR Mk 33:
Variant of FB Mk VI evolved to Specification N.I5/44 for a carrier-borne torpedo-reconnaissance fighter/bomber.
Converted Mk VI with arrester gear made first deck landings on HMS Indefatigable, March 25, 1944. Second converted Mk VI in August 1945 had folding wing and two Sea De Havilland Mosquito prototypes with fixed wings flown in 1945 followed by first production TR Mk 33 on November 10, 1945, with Merlin 25 engines, folding wings, four-bladed propellers, JATO provision, four 20-mm cannon, underwing bombs as FB Mk VI and provision for two 500-lb (227-kg) bombs in rear bomb-bay in lieu of a 2,000-lb (908-kg) torpedo, bomb or mine externally under fuselage. Length increased to 42 ft 3 in (12.88 m) by ASH radar in nose.




Further to record missions WW2 -
 F-Freddie, Mosquito Mk IX LR 503. Total of 213 missions, tragically lost in an accident May 10 1945 Calgary, Canada.

The Smithsonian claims its B-26 "Flak Bait" is the record holder, but it only completed 202 missions.

Further to night photograph -
April 18 1944 over Osnabruck at 36000ft. Highest ever in the whole war.


Pretty good for a plane held together by glue and brass screws lol.

Current AH model just doesn't do justice to it.
Would hope for a -
B IV, FB VI (minus dampers which ours never had), plus one of the NF's on the remodel.

[Pooh21]

Originally posted by Karnak
Or tail sliding all the way down into the ground.

 

oh I forgot about that little bit of joy. is that even possible in real?

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Kev367th
FB VI (minus dampers which ours never had)

Not true.  Some FB.VIs had them and some did not.  It was common for a squadron to have both types so that it could use the dampered ones for night ops.  The only ratio I have seen, and it was for one squad so who knows what others were, was about 2/3rds without the dampers and 1/3rd with them.

The problem I have had is finding performance data for the FB.Mk VI without the flame dampers.

[bozon]

Originally posted by Karnak
Or tail sliding all the way down into the ground.

Full throttle, rudder all the way to the right, stick forward and hold - usually gets the nose down in 5 seconds. Not a good manuver during battle...

Bozon

[justin_g]

Multiple ejector exhausts added about 12mph apparently.

For Merlin 25 Mosquitos, I have seen these figures:

FB.VI with shrouded exhaust: 378mph @ 13,200ft, 361mph @ 5,500ft & 336mph @ s/l.
NF.XIX with shrouded exhaust: 378mph @ 13,200ft.

NF.XIII(exhaust unknown, guess multi): 394mph @ 13,800ft, 379mph @ 6,000ft & 350mph @ s/l.
TR.33 with multiple ejectors: 387mph @ 13,500ft, 372mph @ 5,500ft @ 344mph at s/l.
TF.37(exhaust unknown, guess multi): 345mph @ s/l.

[MiloMorai]

Zeno's Warbirds has a manual for the FB VI, http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/DeHavilland_Mosquito_Pilot's_Manual.html

A couple of graphs