FiX THE MOSSIE!

[Furball]

did a little test earlier... stall performances.

it seems that the A-20 has generous modelling, very gentle stall, can hammerhead immediately after takeoff with ease. WHY?

i try this in mossie, i just cartwheel out of the sky.

WHY is the mossie stall model so porked?

i try and snap roll the mossie, i enter a random flipping type stall that is unrecoverable, i do it in the A20 bomber and it just gently rubs it off.

Why is the mossie such a pig to fly? WHY is the A-20 so easy to fly?

Will upload film tomorrow, the A-20 even seems to accelerate on the runway faster than the Mosquito, which is just plain wrong.

[Jester]

Originally posted by Furball
it seems that the A-20 has generous modelling, very gentle stall, can hammerhead immediately after takeoff with ease. WHY?

MADE IN THE U.S.A. BA-BY!  

[Kweassa]

All US aircraft are known to be perfectly stable, unlike junk Brit aircraft or wobbly German aircraft.

(at least, in the world of AH, the most stable and easy to handle planes. are all US planes)

[Bronk]

yup those spits , and 110s can be a handfull.



Bronk

[Scherf]

There's various comments about Mossie stall characteristics in the FB.VI Pilot's Notes, which is circulating round the internet for free.

I have no idea under what conditions the real-life stall tests were done, or even what affects whether a stall is vicious or not.

I'm not an aeronautical engineer -  but I play one on the internet.


I do get the impression however that empty drop tanks affect the propensity to spin almost as much as full ones.

[bozon]

The mossie has some bug related either to the combat trim or c.g. which was reported in the bugs forum.

Try turning on the combat trim and level the plane - it will tend to pitch up.

Bozon

[Octavius]

Combat trim tends to do that with a ton of planes.  Is this done to simulate pilot preference to give the a/c a 'light nose' in combat as some pilots did?  Pry incorrect settings... I'd like no pitching at all.

I usually use it in a quick on/off fashion as a trim neutralizer.  A bit annoying when combat trim forces a nose up attitude into eventual stall just after takeoff.

[bozon]

I use CT the same as you do. CT is not supposed to be a perfect trim but the mossie is the only plane in which it seems so far off.

The point is that it over trims you and will trim you right into stall conditions. With CT constantly on in the mossie, you need to counter intuitively push the stick forward in a zoom/high angle climb in order not to stall or flip over. This could be both the effect of a CT not scaled right or center of gravity too far to the back.

With CT turned off the mossie handles nicely at slow speeds (but do feel a little tail heavy), just need to be careful not to throw it violently over the edge.

On another issue, can some Mossie expert please tell if there was any forward armor to the mossie (armored glass and platings)? I seem to suffer a lot of pilot injuries from front quarter attacks even against tank mounted 0.3 guns.

Bozon

[Furball]

ok...

i was pretty drunk posting this thread, but i did so after testing the A-20 and Mossie in a H2H room. the A-20 it seems has no effect of torque modelled on it, i looked at engine startup and it looks like the props are not counter rotating.

the reason i tested it, was, after flying the mossie in MA and cartwheeling out of the sky twice while fighting a P-38.

the P-51 had an "unrecoverable below 8,000 feet"spin in RL and look how that does here

[Furball]

Originally posted by bozon
On another issue, can some Mossie expert please tell if there was any forward armor to the mossie (armored glass and platings)? I seem to suffer a lot of pilot injuries from front quarter attacks even against tank mounted 0.3 guns.

Bozon

Yes our Mosquito should have.  I do not know if it is modelled or not.  the FB Mossies kept with the armoured screen, whereas the bomber mossies did not really need it and went with a more streamlined split screen.

FB Mossie with one piece armoured glass



B. Mossie with split screen

[KD303]

I also think the Mossie isn't right. I fly the Mosquito and the Me 110G quite a lot in the MA and it doesn't make sense to me that the 110 should outperform the Mossie in so many ways. I've looked at the specs of the actual aircraft and it doesn't seem to add up. I won't go into detail as I'm not qualified to comment beyond the very basic stuff (not that that stops people here from giving their "expert" views).
It would be interesting to hear how these aircraft compared in real life, (beyond the obvious) from somebody who really knows about both aircraft - not some "googlestorian" with dodgey info from some geocities webpage.

KD

[Harry]

The 110 outperforms the Mossie because it was designed as a fighter. The Mossie was designed as a fast bomber. The 110 is significantly lighter than the Mossie, but has similar engine power. The Mossie otoh has better aerodynamics, being designed as a fast bomber. The Mossies closest German counterpart (in service, not performance) is the Ju-88 "Schnellbomber" with its many bomber and fighter variants.

[mora]

The Mossie has had that ridiculous tumbling tendency since it was introduced in AH. The 110 does the same, as it's FM is obviously based on the Mossie FM. I can't believe this issue is still to be fixed.

Here's a film of a Mossie tumble:
http://www.saunalahti.fi/anttruok/flipflops.ahf

[bozon]

Thanks for the info furball.
And another thank you for the pics or this gorgeous plane.

Bozon

[Kev367th]

Be nice to see an NF.30 (2x1700HP Merlins )or similar on the eventual remodel as well as a B IV.

Bozon few little known facts about the mossie -
a) Holds record for highest night time photograph during the war.
b) First twin engine to land on a carrier.
c) One Mossie holds the record for the most 'ops' of any aircraft in WWII.
d) It remained the fastest aircraft in Bomber Command until approx 1951!!
e) Last one built Nov 1950.
f) Last op Malaysia 1955.

No wonder Herman Goering said -
"In 1940 I could at least fly as far as Glasgow in most of my aircraft, but not now! It makes me furious when I see the Mosquito. I turn green and yellow with envy.
The British, who can afford aluminium better than we can, knock together a beautiful wooden aircraft that every piano factory over there is building, and they give it a speed which they have now increased yet again. What do you make of that?"