Any tips in flying the bf109?

[SkevJ]

I kind of like those planes because they are rarely used. Could anyone give me info from their point of view about the bf109's?

[Guppy35]

I'd suggest you search 109s on the forums.  The 109 drivers have talked about the good and bad of the AH 109s

Here are a few of them

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=168259

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=167723

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165110

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=164933

[1K3]

damn this is gonna be toooo long to cover

I say you start in 109F-4

[gatt]

I'd suggest to shift to the 109G-2 ASAP. Actually, the F-4 is *mainly* used as a furballer in our MA.

[syncrII]

Moin

109k4---->----109g14----->----109g6---->----109g2---->----109f4---<--109e4

only climp away ability--->----C&A and turn ability------>-----only turn abilitiy


Every 109 kompresses hard so put your elevator trim on the stick.

For the B&Z 109s: try to climp out the enemy in the dogfight. it is posible to fight against 3-4 enemys at the deck and end the fight above 15k (only k4 lol) keep your speed and don t turn much if you want to turn always use the vertical turn in combat.

for the turn 109s:
thay are slow and thay need alt atwantage e4 more than f4 and f4 more than g2. problem with the alt atwntage is the compresions of the 109s. but thay can turn with spitfires. And the E4 can turn like a bat.

cu chris3

[gatt]

I guess that using the term Boom&Zoom could be misleading for a green 109 pilot. Usually the B&Z is associated with the FW, F4U, P47 ... style.

This is not the case with the 109, which is much better for a Hit&Run and Hit&Climb combat styles. I mean, the 109G-K should attack from level or very shallow dive. This way you can avoid compression and use the acceleration and climb abilities of the 109s to get a "window" exit from the fight. Moreover, you avoid to dive under the horizontal plane of the prey and loose E without reason.

[syncrII]

Originally posted by gatt
I guess that using the term Boom&Zoom could be misleading for a green 109 pilot. Usually the B&Z is associated with the FW, F4U, P47 ... style.

This is not the case with the 109, which is much better for a Hit&Run and Hit&Climb combat styles. I mean, the 109G-K should attack from level or very shallow dive. This way you can avoid compression and use the acceleration and climb abilities of the 109s to get a "window" exit from the fight. Moreover, you avoid to dive under the horizontal plane of the prey and loose E without reason.

thats rigt gatt. i miss the the words. i mean if you climp with the enemy on your 6 away and get higher and higher and bevor you reche your stall you fall back on the enemy. You knew what i mean? i dont know how it is called but that is what i mean with B&Z at the 109s. but sure it is still a other way as at the 190s and a wrong call for the 109s.

cu chris3

[gatt]

Is that a "drag & bag"?   I use it when I'm sure I dont end with a vertical HO.
Only when I see the enemy levelling, stalling or stop following me in the spiral climb, that is.

The best drags are those done with the assistance of a wingie or a smart fellow. A successful one is enuff for an entire playing session, IMHO.

[Jester]

Hey SkevJ,

First, Welcome to AH!

I wrote this guide on flying the ME-109 back when were flying as the squad JG-3 "UDET".

http://www.geocities.com/jagd3udet/FIGHTING109.html

It has some good tips from several great 109 sim-pilots that I had the privledge to fly with. Hope it proves of some use to you.



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[Messiah]

I've found the 109k outclasses every plane it meets in a furball or 1v1 situation. Most people think TnBing and angles fighting in a 109k is stupid but only because they are too stupid to understand and exploit its full potential.

[1K3]

Originally posted by Jester
Hey SkevJ,

First, Welcome to AH!

I wrote this guide on flying the ME-109 back when were flying as the squad JG-3 "UDET".

http://www.geocities.com/jagd3udet/FIGHTING109.html

It has some good tips from several great 109 sim-pilots that I had the privledge to fly with. Hope it proves of some use to you.



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err you gotta update the 109G-10 to 109K-4 and add 109G-14 on list:p

[Gianlupo]

Originally posted by Gatt

Is that a "drag & bag"?  

If I understood well what syncrII wrote, it is the "rope and dope".

I guess that using the term Boom&Zoom could be misleading ... This is not the case with the 109, which is much better for a Hit&Run and Hit&Climb combat styles.

Sorry, I'm gonna be picky as usual. Hit and run and hit and climb are boom and zoom tactics. Check this out: Boom and zoom tactics by Andy Bush, an interesting reading for all, newbies and experienced pilots.

Gatt, I liked more your previous avatar... this is more autarkic, but the other one  was nicer!

[gatt]

You picky italian
Jokes and terms apart,
whats important with the 109 is to avoid compression, retain as much E as possible and exit the merge/fight with a climb. Combine all these things and you can easily understand why with the 109 you need something very different from the old well known "nose down, pick up speed, attack and fly away" style. So, beginners and green 109 pilots should be aware that the simple "Boom&Zoom" leads them to auger or quickly loose alt, then E, then the whole fight.

The old avatar was of my amphibious infantry regiment. Not very good for a flight sim

[Gianlupo]

Amphibious infantry regiment? In RL or in some game? I never thought something like that, I thought you were a fan of US Navy planes, as that patch is the insignia of VF 31 Tomcatters!

[gatt]

Dang! 1pm and already drunk
I meant this old <---------- avatar
Not the one with felix the cat