Confederate Flag STAYS

[-lynx-]

Well - that's where democracy rules. You may disagree/dislike the outcome but where were you when the polling stations were open?

Radio over here reported 2:1 majority for keeping the flag... If people could be bothered to vote on the issue - they would have. Obviously, it was not that big of an issue for those who (allegedly) desired it most.

[Sturm]

One comment how can they call themselves African Americans, when the vast majority are not even from Africa?  So do I have a right to insist instead of being called white to being called a European American?  Guess what if I do it labels me as a racist, try this one out as well B.E.T, I open a TV show called W.E.T.  How long do you think it will last before it is cancelled?  

I have mixed views on this whole racism thing.  I come from a true southern family yet I was the only one in my whole family born in the North as they might say.  I find racism to be quite silly for I have friends that are both white and black.  And I treat both equal, why because they treat me the same way.  What we have is ignorance and it isn't getting better it is getting worse.  Do I condone rap music for what it stands for?  No, but I also hate country "I really hate country".

Everyday you read in the paper or hear in the news racism this or I was a victim of that.  Why does this happen to me?  And when it does why make a big deal about it?  My god hasn't everyone ran into a person that treated them like total sh*t?  It didn't matter what color the person was, they still were prettythangholes to you.  Boycotting a state because they don't see to your views, doesn't this bother anyone else?  

We look upon adults to act like adults, when I see the likes of JJ or Ferakhan "However you spell it" to me they seem to insight racism to spread it more to better themselves.  I live in a predominantly black city 60% I think, I have been doused with racism to a full.  Is it reported?  Of course not that is not what the news wants to show or the public wants to see.

Back to the flag subject, it is a piece of history.  Let it go out as that and not as a symbol of hatred.  We must also remind these "African Americans" that slavery was not just from the white people their own kind sold them into slavery.  From doing a research project on this in High school it was interesting to find out a lot of slaves did not want to leave, and a lot of them fought for the southern side "how ironic".  

I think the media, movies and portrayals has dimmed a light on this subject that is irreparable now.  The time is coming and I foresee it as soon, something is going to set off a time bomb in this nation.  One that will throw our country into chaos.  Don't believe look around, it isn't exactly getting better in the US thats for sure.

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JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
"The soup nazi"

[Saintaw]

Wobble, stop flooding this whole BBS with sh*t, please.

Sturmp, your follower could follow that example too...

Saw
[Mass]

[Sturm]

Who put you in charge?

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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
"The soup nazi"

[Ripsnort]

Sturm brings to light the evidence that the divide between black and white in this country is further divided by abuse and mis-use of ones 'color'.  And what he is saying is if a white man brings it up, its racism, if a black man does, its not..who are we to say he's right or wrong?

I somewhat agree with him, I have to tip toe around just so I don't 'offend' anyone, yet that same tip-toeing is never applied to me.

Those are my feelings.  Racist? Hardly.  One of my best friends is black.  He wants to be known as "Black" because his direct ancestors helped build America, not Africa.  He sees the abuse by his own, and he dislikes it too.  But, he's also a very educated, very successful person by the blood sweat and tears of his own hard work, he did not ride on the backs of others, he used his own back.

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[Twist]

Hey Robert, I'm just a tad west of you here in Birmingham, and you said a mouthful. I was born and raised in Northern California and moving here was a shock to say the least. There may not be a cold war with Russia thanks to Ron, but there still remains a cold war here. There are SO many things wrong with this and that, education tops the list, but this flag issue gets more attention than all other problems combined. Kids starving, education going to hell, and these folks are concerned about a flag thats been around for how long?? I have a picture my mother gave me of a great(repeat as needed) grand-father by the name of Gen Horatio L Gates hanging in my living room among other things from my time in the service. I had someone who I 'thought' was a friend come over and while visiting had a very bad comment about it. It has a Confederate flag at the bottom along with a summary of his service. This 'friend' didn't ask me about my relative who I never knew, didn't comment on some of my other military items, but instead went right for that evil flag. We got into it bigtime over an inanimate object and haven't spoken since. If someone had told me long ago this would happen I would have laughed and said thats the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. Well, you don't know til you've lived here.

 On the other hand, I married the sweetest little southern gal from N Carolina 14 years ago and let me tell you this, whoever said southern belles make the best wives knew what he was talking about.   I said this just so you know it ai'nt ALL bad down here.....

[Sturm]

Thank you Rip, I tried Tip toeing as much as possible as well.  We talk about these things and many times we come to the same conclusion, granted it is over a few beers but it ends the same.  WTF can people not get along, lol I know its rodney kingish but we usually do say that.  It is very hard to say we are not prejudice, everyone is some more extreme then others.  I think you should take pride in your ethnicity and of course your families journies thru the centuries.

I don't think we should persecute those that want to have theirs continue.  I had a lot fo relatives serve in the Southern Armies, and some in the northern armies as well.  Does that mean I cannot fly the Banner because of what the northeners did to my fellow southern relatives?  And of course vice versa towards the confederate flag.  

The southern flag does not stand for slavery, nor has it ever stood for it.  maybe in some peoples eyes it does, for the ones that educate themselves on the matter they might understand what it means.

Ignorance
Selfishness
lazyness
Assumption

Add those up and you get what kind of a person?

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JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
"The soup nazi"

[easymo]

  Thud. Secession is still not outside the scope of possibility.

  Don't mess with Texas.

[Robert]

here is a little story to tell you how things go here in Mississippi. I work in a casino that has live bands playing music. This one group that most ppl loved to hear play because they were truly great was asked not to return to the casino. WHY you ask...they played the "Battle Hyme Of The Republic" once and let me tell you. Had to be one of the best performances i have ever seen. They were asked not to come back if they were going to keep playing racist songs that upset the black customers. To settle the point about how i feel about black ppl. Before i got married to one of the great southern gals. i owned my home and rented a room to a very good friend of mine. Guess what ! he is black and i would walk on the water for him. I hate ppl who will stand up and say or make me feel like i owe them something. Why because along time ago there were black slaves. For all you history buffs out there.....there was a 3/1 ratio white to black slaves back then but you never hear about all that. You never hear about the black plantation owners that inslaved there own kind and died figthing a war to keep their slaves. I could go on and on about this and it would never settle a thing. PPL nead to learn how to love rather than to hate.

RWY

[Thud]

 

Originally posted by easymo:
 Thud. Secession is still not outside the scope of possibility.

  Don't mess with Texas.

Yeah right, LOL

 

[Dowding]

 

The british did not have the will to spill as much blood to keep the colonies...

Not really true. They had the will but not the means; the French were a little uppity at that time, and they had to be sorted out. India was seen as a far more valuable colony and that was under threat. On the whole, a very expensive business.

If America had been as close geographically to Britain as, say, France, they would have had no problem putting down the rebellion. But that ocean thing is a little hard to cross quickly without Concorde.

But hey, it turned out alright in the end.

[sling322]

 

Originally posted by Thud:
Yeah right, LOL

   

Actually Thud, easymo is correct.  Texas is the only state in the US that still has the right to legally secede from the Union.  They kept that right in their state charter when they joined.

[ispar]

 

Originally posted by sling322:
Actually Thud, easymo is correct.  Texas is the only state in the US that still has the right to legally secede from the Union.  They kept that right in their state charter when they joined.

Er... not federally legal, it ain't. The state law is overridden by the federal law. Seems that no one particularly cares about that vote on the Texas ballots.

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[LePaul]

You know what galls me most about this whole bit? The *people* have spoken, 2 to 1, to keep the flag.  

So, you'd think that was it? Right?

Noooo....you see, what the PEOPLE say isnt what the NAACP's *PEOPLE* say....so before the election, we HAD to vote and speak your mind.  Well, the people have spoken, they decided they DIDNT like what was spoken loadly and are going to form their own petty little boycott.  Yawn, see a trend?  

Its all absurd.  Ask the people what they want, if they disagree with the minority, in true stupid fashion, we have to give way to the minority despite the ruling of the majority.

A man on the moon, a robot (or two) on Mars and we still can't convince people to get with it.  <shrug>

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[-ammo-]

 

Originally posted by Robert:
here is a little story to tell you how things go here in Mississippi. I work in a casino that has live bands playing music. This one group that most ppl loved to hear play because they were truly great was asked not to return to the casino. WHY you ask...they played the "Battle Hyme Of The Republic" once and let me tell you. Had to be one of the best performances i have ever seen. They were asked not to come back if they were going to keep playing racist songs that upset the black customers. To settle the point about how i feel about black ppl. Before i got married to one of the great southern gals. i owned my home and rented a room to a very good friend of mine. Guess what ! he is black and i would walk on the water for him. I hate ppl who will stand up and say or make me feel like i owe them something. Why because along time ago there were black slaves. For all you history buffs out there.....there was a 3/1 ratio white to black slaves back then but you never hear about all that. You never hear about the black plantation owners that inslaved there own kind and died figthing a war to keep their slaves. I could go on and on about this and it would never settle a thing. PPL nead to learn how to love rather than to hate.

RWY

You work at Tunica?