Author Topic: Brokeback Mountain (Read 10600 times)

Seagoon · « **Reply #90 on:** January 14, 2006, 10:25:20 PM »

Hi Sandy,

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Originally posted by Sandman
As far as I can tell Hollywood has just one agenda. $$$

No offense Sandy, but that clearly isn't the case with Brokeback or even true in general. Want to make a fortune? Roll out a family friendly movie with a PG or even a G rating. Narnia, for instance, has already grossed $248 million and is back in the number 2 spot, beating out the more expensive (and more violent, but still family-ish) King Kong.

PG and G rated movies historically do much, much, better at the box office than R-rated ones that push the already stretched envelope. For instance here is the top 20 all time best grossing movies (USA):

1.    Titanic (1997)    $600,779,824
2.    Star Wars (1977)    $460,935,665
3.    Shrek 2 (2004)    $436,471,036
4.    E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982)    $434,949,459
5.    Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999)    $431,065,444
6.    Spider-Man (2002)    $403,706,375
7.    Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005)    $380,262,555
8.    The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003)    $377,019,252
9.    Spider-Man 2 (2004)    $373,377,893
10.    The Passion of the Christ (2004)    $370,270,943
11.    Jurassic Park (1993)    $356,784,000
12.    The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002)    $340,478,898
13.    Finding Nemo (2003)    $339,714,367
14.    Forrest Gump (1994)    $329,691,196
15.    The Lion King (1994)    $328,423,001
16.    Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (2001)    $317,557,891
17.    The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)    $313,837,577
18.    Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002)    $310,675,583
19.    Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983)    $309,125,409
20.    Independence Day (1996)    $306,124,059

Only one on the list is rated R, and that's the Passion. Almost every single one is Kids and Family friendly. The template for making dollars is fairly simple, the problem is Hollywood isn't going to accept it. Every year they produce a greater number of "hard" PG-13 and R rated movies even though they know they won't do as well as the softer movies.

It's not actually about bucks, it's about agendas and "art." The same applies to most sectors of the media, historically conservative and "traditional" books, radio, and news sells better nationwide than their liberal counterparts, and yet the vast majority of the largest publishing and media conglomerates are still going to push the liberal agenda and the risque content. Brokeback is no different, its design is "to do good" by promoting an idealized view of homosexuality and
even implying that as a lifestyle it is superior to the nuclear family. They'd rather go broke "making a difference for the better in America" than make money selling movies they don't believe in.

Ah well, as their respective empires came to the end of their courses both the Greek and Roman literary and artistic community attempted to do exactly the same thing. Truly there is nothing new under the sun.

- SEAGOON

Pooh21 · « **Reply #91 on:** January 14, 2006, 10:35:30 PM »

plus Narnia had that awesome He-111 sequence in the beginning, and beserk rhinos.

Bareback is just gay cowboys, and how we are all homophobes if we dont see it.

Debonair · « **Reply #92 on:** January 14, 2006, 11:18:15 PM »

The He-111 sequence was good (maybe nearly as good as Tochy's latest work, but a night attack in formation?
Thats a bit queer if you ask me

FiLtH · « **Reply #93 on:** January 15, 2006, 12:31:20 AM »

Gay cowboys eating pudding.

fartwinkle · « **Reply #94 on:** January 15, 2006, 12:40:51 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
And you are absolutely certain that it doesn't deserve them?

As a film a piece of art it is from what I have heard a great movie.
But I must agree having the gay lifestyle crammed down our throats is wearing a little thin.

thrila · « **Reply #95 on:** January 15, 2006, 08:59:49 AM »

Saw the movie and thought it was good. Felt a bit squemish during the love scene and the cuddling, not as much as my evangelist girlfriend did though.

Stringer · « **Reply #96 on:** January 15, 2006, 09:24:02 AM »

Seagoon,
Do you actually wear one of those "The End of The World is Here" boards, or just continually spew it on this BBS?

I don't agree with that lifestyle, although I have known, hired, and been friends with gays.

I won't see Brokeback, because a movie about a gay encounter is not for me.

But it certainly doesn't threaten the very basis of my existence nor does it threaten my morals or even the morals that I am raising my children with (which btw, is to be their own person, and to act with integrity).

We get stuff crammed downed our throats everyday (nice pun there fartwinkle). It's about if you choose to let it bother you or not. Or better yet, if you're secure enough in who you are and what you stand for then it won't be the end of the world as you know or more to the point, wish it to be.

Or even better, if you don't like it's message, then make a movie that sends a message against it.

lazs2 · « **Reply #97 on:** January 15, 2006, 09:28:06 AM »

fubar... one of my brothers is gay. My girlfriend has a brother who is gay. I am not gonna watch a movie about gays to make them happy... They wouldn't even ask. They know we are straight and are less than thrilled by homo displays in person or in media. That is probly why both of them live in a city with a very large gay population (frisco)

Sob... maybe the movie does deserve all the awards but you got to admit it seems suspicious 7 awards before it even comes out? How often does that happen?

It is like MLK day... maybe he is the only human being in the history of the world that deserves a seperate federal holiday forced on the states for him but... I doubt it. It smacks of silly agenda just like the movie.

Either way... it affects me little... I still get the day off wether it is some deserving pres or a guy who cheated on his wife and his doctorate... The movie doesn't affect me either... it's other peoples money and I don't have to watch it.

lazs

dmf · « **Reply #98 on:** January 15, 2006, 09:44:52 AM »

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Originally posted by weaselsan

Now we need a show tune called homos on the range

As John Wayne rools over in his grave

lambo31 · « **Reply #99 on:** January 15, 2006, 10:45:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Stringer
Seagoon,
Do you actually wear one of those "The End of The World is Here" boards, or just continually spew it on this BBS?

You must see different things in his post than what I see. TMHO Seagoon's posts are always well thought out and usually contain facts to back his statements up.

Lambo

NUKE · « **Reply #100 on:** January 15, 2006, 10:49:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Stringer
Seagoon,
Do you actually wear one of those "The End of The World is Here" boards, or just continually spew it on this BBS?

I've never seen Seagoon mention that the end of the world is here. His posts are well thought out, polite and clearly state his views. What's the problem with that?

Stringer · « **Reply #101 on:** January 15, 2006, 11:22:46 AM »

Well, I've noticed it.

Pooh21 · « **Reply #102 on:** January 15, 2006, 12:40:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Stringer
Well, I've noticed it.

I bet yer panties bunch up fast enough to amputate yer legs everytime you hear the G word too.

God!

Stringer · « **Reply #103 on:** January 15, 2006, 01:26:40 PM »

I bet you're wrong, pooh.

Dowding · « **Reply #104 on:** January 15, 2006, 01:53:23 PM »

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Brokeback is no different, its design is "to do good" by promoting an idealized view of homosexuality and even implying that as a lifestyle it is superior to the nuclear family.

You got all that from the film? Seems to me to be a film about a pair of bent cowboys rather than all out, thermo-nuclear war against the 2.4 family unit.

Maybe it is a film promoting gay love while sheep droving instead of the sub-urban 9 to 5 grind (ahem). Kudos to your literary perception, Seagoon.