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Sloehand · « **on:** January 17, 2006, 10:20:15 PM »

Is spawning a tank with the turret already reversed 180 degrees caused by some manipulative cheat or not?
If it is, why is it tolerated?

Kurt · « **Reply #1 on:** January 17, 2006, 10:24:22 PM »

Sounds like lag to me.

I bet he was moving his turret long before the game updated you with his position. Don't freak.

Anyhow, why are you spawn camping anyhow? Isn't that 'gamey'?

Lazerr · « **Reply #2 on:** January 17, 2006, 10:29:19 PM »

Yeah, same deal with getting shot by an invisable panzer while camping. It all depends on how long it takes for them to appear on your screen. If the lag is bad enough, he could sit there for 5 minutes, drink a beer, and then shoot you just as he appears on your screen.

Sloehand · « **Reply #3 on:** January 17, 2006, 11:51:05 PM »

Suppose I should have added info here. Several people doing the spawn camping saw exact same thing, with the dame person at the same time. Was an immediate topic of discussion. Also, its the same people doing the reverse turret thing consistantly - different days, different bases, same 180 degree reversal once they realize you've camped their hanger.
And finally, I (and others) have tried to reverse turret around on spawn campers since day one. I know its not conclusive, but I've always been killed before my turret gets halfway around. Can't believe that I don't get the same lag benefit as others at least once, if lag were the cause. And that lag would have to be at least 8 seconds long. Go ahead and time it. Spawn panzer, enter gun position, immediately rotate turret to fire into Indestructable behind hangar - 8 seconds. That's a damn long lag.

As for spawn camping, it's a behavior allowed by the game not a cheat. It may be an unfortunate part of the game, but its like base CAP, which is just a nice term for vulching, which EVERYONE does. What is NOT part of the game is to artificially effect or impact the intended runtime of the AH program, by any external means, i.e. cheating.

ghi · « **Reply #4 on:** January 18, 2006, 12:01:44 AM »

i don't know but, i spawned in TT on Small Isles a tiger on top of the tree , and Boom i crashed it upsidedown,no sups, i lost it,
I tried again, and i spawned again the tiger in tree, lost it.
I did't have perks, but i was thinking to spawn a monkey,

kj714 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 18, 2006, 12:37:40 AM »

Oh, it's not really a cheat, but sort of an exploitation.
My understanding is that if you move your stick in the direction you want your turret to turn and hold it there before you leave the hangar the lag in the game will cause your turret to be turned when your opponent's system updates.

But come on, spawn camping?

A cheesy, perk ho move in itself. Try using your noggin and fighting sometime. It's more fun.

BTW, positioning your stick a certain way before you enter the playing field isn't "against the rules" either, so I guess you're even on that one, huh?

Scrap · « **Reply #6 on:** January 18, 2006, 12:51:39 AM »

I think HTC changed the time the spawner shows up on the campers FE. Somehow I remember a thread about this.

Morpheus · « **Reply #7 on:** January 18, 2006, 12:55:05 AM »

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Originally posted by ghi
i don't know but, i spawned in TT on Small Isles a tiger on top of the tree , and Boom i crashed it upsidedown,no sups, i lost it,
I tried again, and i spawned again the tiger in tree, lost it.
I did't have perks, but i was thinking to spawn a monkey,

Sloehand · « **Reply #8 on:** January 18, 2006, 02:20:34 AM »

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Originally posted by kj714

But come on, spawn camping? A cheesy, perk ho move in itself. Try using your noggin and fighting sometime. It's more fun.

BTW, positioning your stick a certain way before you enter the playing field isn't "against the rules" either, so I guess you're even on that one, huh?

Come on, quit attacking the questioner and answer the question. Do you KNOW for a fact about turret reveral, not "I think". And, the second part is, if it is a cheat, would it be tolerated?

As for saying spawn camping as a "cheesy, perk ho move" you're being stupid (not saying you are, just that you're acting that way, possibly on purpose?) trying to redirect the discussion.

I've ask a polite and serious question and what significant response, if anyone can past adolescence to provide one.

If I believed (which I don't, in case you were wondering) that "jiggling the stick" would cause the action I'm talking about I would have no complaint as the stick is a reasonable and necessary accessory of the game, AND, theorectically, I should be able to reproduce the action in that way. Guess what? I can't.

And, by the way, vulching, HO-ing, and spawn camping are reasonable and legitimate actions in the game that we all LOVE to do to the other side, but cry like babies when its done to us. As a whole, I don't particularly like them either, but everyone can do them.

So... let's try and answer this one again.

wipass · « **Reply #9 on:** January 18, 2006, 02:52:56 AM »

Nothing more satisfying than ruining a campers day. If the VH is camped then up a T34, it's tough and the turret traverse is exceptionally quick.

As regards the lag situation, it works for and against the camper and also the victim at varying times.

I'm sure it's all legitimate.

wipass

Schatzi · « **Reply #10 on:** January 18, 2006, 03:10:59 AM »

When an airplanes spawns on the runway, it staya 'invisible' for a second or two on the other FEs, about the time it takes to get the engine started up. Not sure, but id guess its the same for GVs.

Sloehand · « **Reply #11 on:** January 18, 2006, 05:19:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Schatzi
When an airplanes spawns on the runway, it staya 'invisible' for a second or two on the other FEs, about the time it takes to get the engine started up. Not sure, but id guess its the same for GVs.

Eight seconds Schatzi. Time it takes to spawn, move into gun position, and swivel panzer turret 180 degrees. Maybe a bit shorter in a T-34, but I've seen it done in a Tiger which is way slower than a Panzer. Awful long lag, and if there was a standard lag that long, why doesn't everyone know about it and use it to break a spawn camp consistantly?

Nope, lag does not explain it. Too many other details I can't go into here, along with consistant behaviors by players who do this, half-admitted discussions with them, etc. to get me to believe that the same people who do this time after time are getting the advantage of an 'accidental' lag.

KD303 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 18, 2006, 06:41:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Sloehand

And, by the way, vulching, HO-ing, and spawn camping are reasonable and legitimate actions in the game that we all LOVE to do to the other side, but cry like babies when its done to us. As a whole, I don't particularly like them either, but everyone can do them.

"That we all LOVE to do". Oh really? Glad you know the minds of everyone so intimately. Must help you a lot when anticipating the enemy's next move.

Just twisting your melon a bit mate.
If it's only happening at convenient moments and you're suspicious, film it and send it in to HTC. Posting it here will only result in the kind of responses you've been getting.
Nobody's going to be sympathetic to someone who's getting zapped during a skillfree spawn camp session.
Personally, I can't think of anything more boring than sitting in a tank waiting for other tanks to magically appear in front of me so I can press a button with already zeroed in sights and destroy a target with not even a sporting chance that he might actually get to join in a battle with me. That's how I feel about it. Different from the OP, who shouldn't assume everyone likes to waste good fighting time watching a spawn point. Also I don't "cry" if I get killed by someone spawn camping, HOing or vulching. Tarring everyone with the same brush is wrong, old chap.
So, to re-cap. Film it, send it in.

KD

Simaril · « **Reply #13 on:** January 18, 2006, 07:01:47 AM »

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Originally posted by KD303
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If it's only happening at convenient moments and you're suspicious, film it and send it in to HTC. Posting it here will only result in the kind of responses you've been getting.

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So, to re-cap. Film it, send it in.

KD

Absolutely. The person with the most to lose from illegal manipulation is HTC, and he's risking dollars, not little make believe tanks. If you have evidence or concerns, let him know. If someone's manipulating the code, he WILL take care of it.

BTW....

Be veeeewy careful with the "C" word, Sloehand. People have been permabanned for throwing it around loosely -- and rightly so, because their (often baseless) accusations threaten the integrity of the game and poison the BBS atmosphere.

hitech · « **Reply #14 on:** January 18, 2006, 08:47:21 AM »

Between start of flight, and when you first see the person can vary a lot.
And is effected by how many people are online.

Infact to the person spawning he is not even exploiting anything. He is just spawning, jumping to the gun as quick as possible, and then turning toward you.

HiTech