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Sloehand · « **Reply #15 on:** January 18, 2006, 07:57:09 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
Between start of flight, and when you first see the person can vary a lot.
And is effected by how many people are online.

Infact to the person spawning he is not even exploiting anything. He is just spawning, jumping to the gun as quick as possible, and then turning toward you.

HiTech

I certainly admit to the possibility of being wrong -- that it CAN sometimes be a cheat -- which is why I was asking the question in the first place. But I am not yet convinced that it doesn't happen. The reason is, there is other information and evidence in my own experience that supports that possibility, even probability that I figured was too confusing to try and impart here, as I simply wanted response to the question I proposed.
However, this additional information includes the absolutely precise occurance of repeated 'lags" (5 or 6 times in a row) during same incident in a matter of 1 minute +/- by the same person, coinciding exactly when he is spawning each time, AND seen by multiple people during said incident, not just myself.
I don't know if it is a 'stick jiggle' delay or a process interruptor program, or whatever, I just do suspect it does occur and is some type of manipulation by the player. I also have no idea if anything can ever be done about it.
And the point of this message was not to report anyone, but to elicit responses (preferable friendly, serious and intellegent) on the topic. I have, and will begin recording continuosly when I am in a panzer to capture these moments in the future. So eventually, I will have evidence that will prove me right or wrong, I hope. Only then would I want to make specific accusations to HiTech, but I do appreciate that they have entered into the dialogue on this subject.

kj714 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 18, 2006, 09:00:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Sloehand
Come on, quit attacking the questioner and answer the question. Do you KNOW for a fact about turret reveral, not "I think". And, the second part is, if it is a cheat, would it be tolerated?

As for saying spawn camping as a "cheesy, perk ho move" you're being stupid (not saying you are, just that you're acting that way, possibly on purpose?) trying to redirect the discussion.

I've ask a polite and serious question and what significant response, if anyone can past adolescence to provide one.

If I believed (which I don't, in case you were wondering) that "jiggling the stick" would cause the action I'm talking about I would have no complaint as the stick is a reasonable and necessary accessory of the game, AND, theorectically, I should be able to reproduce the action in that way. Guess what? I can't.

And, by the way, vulching, HO-ing, and spawn camping are reasonable and legitimate actions in the game that we all LOVE to do to the other side, but cry like babies when its done to us. As a whole, I don't particularly like them either, but everyone can do them.

So... let's try and answer this one again.

You're a piece of work aren't ya?

I witnessed this myself once and asked the guy how he was doing it. I passed my knowledge I gained on this to you. Also, as referenced above, I seem to remember a thread on it stating the same thing. Do a search.

I don't KNOW because I don't COAD the game. As for being stupid, don't really give a flip about you or the way you choose to play the game, just throwing in my two cents. I realize I'm the only one on this board who does that, so I'm special I guess.

Here's your sign.

Booz · « **Reply #17 on:** January 19, 2006, 03:29:08 AM »

I think variable connect is a good feature to help deal with lame spawn campers.

SlapShot · « **Reply #18 on:** January 19, 2006, 08:01:35 AM »

I have camped spawns (in the past) and have had the other guys I was camping with start shooting and actually kill the spawner before I even saw him.

I have spawned and have had enough time to traverse the gun before the camper could get a shot off ... due to the same reasons ... there is no cheat here ... this has been happening for quite some time.

iluvu2 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 19, 2006, 08:01:45 AM »

Simple if guy camping changes gvs lag time of new gv gives you time to turn gun easy. and turning turret as you click hanger works as well just not when 2 to 4 guys camping. turning gun in time fo 1 camper easy. Simple fact panzer in indestrutable hanger at your vh. just grab t34 turn gun as you spawn bingo his turret game over!

USHilDvl · « **Reply #20 on:** January 19, 2006, 09:39:50 AM »

I've seen what I believe to be similar effects repeatedly over the years. I tend to believe that HT has given the reason that explains almost all instances...quick-turret, invisible tanks at spawn, etc... Combine that with the fact that a really good shot, or a good ambush, can "feel" like an unfair kill...and I think there's a lot more frustration over unfairness than may truly exist. I've been questioned along these lines before, but really only as a result of the other player confusing 'exploitation' with good tactics. (That's not intended as a shot, Sloe, just a point). There are also, admittedly, a few terrain bugs which result in some exploitable scenarios (underground spawn, invisible craters, etc...) that folks will use if they find themselves in that poisition. Who wouldn't?

Hell...I even thought I was seeing lag invisibility once, only to find out that I hadn't switched to ground view (this will nearly guarantee invisible tanks!)

While there may be a player or two who are really guilty of something unfair, I still believe that HT runs a pretty tight ship, and take this stuff seriously. Take those films, and they'll help you out.

Last, a suggestion: Never conduct an "aggressive tactical suppression" (like the self-serving euphemism?) from directly behind, or inside, the indestructible hangar. Too close, visible to anyone in tower, and easily overwhelmed. Set up with some range, good cover and an escape route planned. Good Luck!

I Have Spoken.

Baine · « **Reply #21 on:** January 19, 2006, 05:25:25 PM »

I don't know how they do it, but I wish selectable turret position on spawn was an option.
I love camping, but I think this would give the spawners a fair shot, if you'll pardon the pun.

LYNX · « **Reply #22 on:** January 19, 2006, 06:33:01 PM »

Nothing new here. Nothing untoward either. It's just a connect thing as HTC has advised.

Solution is keep firing into hanger... chances are the spawnee will up straight away after your 1st kill. Get the rythum going type thing. Being to close is asking for it to. Set up a little ways back so the spawnee HAS to aim.

As a spawnee you click fly go straight into gun, turn and fire. If you get a kill all well and good but if you don't EXIT to tower pronto. Repeat this over but space out your spawn times. Oh, always use a T34. The turret turns fast and if the spawn camper does get a shot off chances are he'll turret or engine hit you....Exit and repeat.

I have a 2mb cable connection and I think my GV's stay err cloaked about 3 to 4 seconds. I have no idea what would happen if I was on dial up. Longer cloak is my guess.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #23 on:** January 19, 2006, 07:07:26 PM »

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Originally posted by ghi
i don't know but, i spawned in TT on Small Isles a tiger on top of the tree , and Boom i crashed it upsidedown,no sups, i lost it,
I tried again, and i spawned again the tiger in tree, lost it.
I did't have perks, but i was thinking to spawn a monkey,

Next time you flip a tank upside down, point the turret at the ground and fire. It will right your tank back up and you can drive away.

ack-ack

Masherbrum · « **Reply #24 on:** January 20, 2006, 08:15:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Sloehand
If I believed (which I don't, in case you were wondering) that "jiggling the stick" would cause the action I'm talking about I would have no complaint as the stick is a reasonable and necessary accessory of the game, AND, theorectically, I should be able to reproduce the action in that way. Guess what? I can't.

And, by the way, vulching, HO-ing, and spawn camping are reasonable and legitimate actions in the game that we all LOVE to do to the other side, but cry like babies when its done to us. As a whole, I don't particularly like them either, but everyone can do them.

So... let's try and answer this one again.

My how this highlighted statement rings true. This whole thread is answered in these nine words.

Karaya

Sloehand · « **Reply #25 on:** January 22, 2006, 01:07:00 PM »

OK, well I guess I got enought responses from people i think should know what's going on. Can't say I'm 100% convinced yet, but it seems most are of the conviction that it is a lag issue more than anything else.
I still have some doubts that it can't be a cheat, at least on occasion, but figure most of the time it must be lag. Only thing is, I've never, ever been able to reproduce the turret reversal on any spawn camper yet. And have tried alot. Go figure.
Thanks for the responses.

viper215 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 22, 2006, 02:18:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Kurt
Sounds like lag to me.

I bet he was moving his turret long before the game updated you with his position. Don't freak.

Anyhow, why are you spawn camping anyhow? Isn't that 'gamey'?

Yea it happens all the time. Just dont spawn camp him and it wont happen.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #27 on:** January 22, 2006, 02:39:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Lazerr
Yeah, same deal with getting shot by an invisable panzer while camping. It all depends on how long it takes for them to appear on your screen. If the lag is bad enough, he could sit there for 5 minutes, drink a beer, and then shoot you just as he appears on your screen.

exactly.
but IMO this is one bug. or anomaly that shouldnt be fixed.

In spawn camping as much fun as it can be. the camper really has an unfair advantage.
This lag at least to some extent helps to even the playing feild.

If you really want to nullify this effect then camp farther away from the spawn point instead of right on top of it.

This will make the spawning GV take a longer time to move his turret around, to locate your position and by that time he should be fully visable.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #28 on:** January 22, 2006, 02:41:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Sloehand
OK, well I guess I got enought responses from people i think should know what's going on. Can't say I'm 100% convinced yet, but it seems most are of the conviction that it is a lag issue more than anything else.
I still have some doubts that it can't be a cheat, at least on occasion, but figure most of the time it must be lag. Only thing is, I've never, ever been able to reproduce the turret reversal on any spawn camper yet. And have tried alot. Go figure.
Thanks for the responses.

It is a lag issue. I use it myself and I wouldnt know how to cheat even if I wanted to.

Camp farther away from the spawn point and it becomes less of a problem