Author Topic: why no Ju88G? (Read 2420 times)

justin_g · « **Reply #30 on:** January 19, 2006, 04:29:05 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
I'll look up my darn Ju88 book and post it as a source. It still doesn't mean I'm right just that I read it. Now I'm not sure if it was a 110G4 or a Ju88G4 that I read about though.

It would have been the Messer, as there was no Ju 88G-4 produced.

Related, here is a webpage with a letter written by a "Nachtjagd" pilot: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/2072/thun.html

hogenbor · « **Reply #31 on:** January 19, 2006, 04:37:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Hehehe, I was doing a BOB setup once where some dweeb found a glitch and upped a N1K2, as an allied pilot, and came after my Ju88 formation. I dropped my bombs, lost my drones in the ensuing dogfight, but I outflew that N1K2 (lmao) and used all my forward gun's ammo to kill his oil then his eng. He ended up diving away and ditching at the city I just bombed, the lucky bugger. I made it back but sans kill

He should have gone vertical, would have killed you in an instant

That having said, in my early days I got in a dogfight with a Ju-88 who actually pinged me, I was amazed by his agility. Can't remember what I was flying back then though. Shot him down eventually but that he even was able to put up a fight amazed me.

storch · « **Reply #32 on:** January 19, 2006, 07:34:50 AM »

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Originally posted by justin_g
It would have been the Messer, as there was no Ju 88G-4 produced.

Related, here is a webpage with a letter written by a "Nachtjagd" pilot: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/2072/thun.html

yup I reckon so. great read and great site thanks for the link.

Angus · « **Reply #33 on:** January 19, 2006, 08:48:57 AM »

One day, AH will perhaps see a "night" where radar equipped night fighters come in use. It will be good for Mossies, Beaus, Ju88's, 110's and Uhu's, Black widows and more.
But this daylight interceptor, now that's still an angle, for the firepower. Would it carry external bombs as well?

Krusty · « **Reply #34 on:** January 19, 2006, 10:19:00 AM »

No, the C and G models could carry no internal/external ord. Pure fighter configuration.

Squire · « **Reply #35 on:** January 19, 2006, 10:29:05 AM »

The Ju88C series was a true "multi role" a/c, it did both day and night missions, had forward firing guns, gun pods, and air to ground ordnance, including bombs and torpedos.

It flew in all the LWs fronts during the war, Western Front, Med, Russia, and others 1940-45. Thats why I would like to see it in AH2. As for "Combat Tour" because its an 8th AF vs the LW thing, it probably wouldnt see much use, but thats no reason to not eventually get it.

It would be a very decent "attack" a/c, more surviveable than a Ju-88A, and with a much heavier load than a Bf 110 or a Stuka.

Krusty · « **Reply #36 on:** January 19, 2006, 03:00:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Squire
The Ju88C series was a true "multi role" a/c, it did both day and night missions, had forward firing guns, gun pods, and air to ground ordnance, including bombs and torpedos.

Uhh.... No it didn't. No source I've ever read mentions any of this. In fact most say that it was devoid of any ord and only carried guns (no external/internal bombs, rockets, etc).

Might I ask where that info comes from?

Lusche · « **Reply #37 on:** January 19, 2006, 04:11:56 PM »

Most 88C were heavy fighters and carried indeed just guns, but not all. Several versions could carry bombs:

Ju 88C-2
Converted to fighter-bombers from A-3 configuration. Were able to carry 500kg bombs. 62 build in 1940

Ju 88 C-7a:
Was variant of the Ju 88 C-6
Was equipped to carry 500kg bombs in bomb bay
Ju 88 C-7b had additional hardpoints under the wing for loads up to 1600kg

My source: Nowarra, Heinz: Die Deutsche Luftrüstung 1933-1945, Volume 3

Squire · « **Reply #38 on:** January 19, 2006, 07:05:25 PM »

"Ju-88 in action" part 2 br Brian Filley.

The Ju-88C-6 had an internal bomb bay. So did the C-2 and the C-4.

It was used in the anti-shipping role by V/KG40. Kind of hard to do that without any ordnance. You cant sink ships with strafing attacks.

KG3, 30, 51, 53,55,76,77 and ZG 76 all used it. Kampfgeschwader units all.

May I ask, is there some reason they would deliberately remove any ability to carry ord on it? I cant think of one. In any case if you have a source that says otherwise, post away.

Krusty · « **Reply #39 on:** January 19, 2006, 07:16:07 PM »

Well the reason would be that the C was introduced as a dedicated night fighter (albeit before the radar was available for the planes).

So then it would seem the best C version for AH consideration would be the C-7. Were there any G's that had this capability?

Squire · « **Reply #40 on:** January 19, 2006, 07:23:06 PM »

The Ju-88G < was a dedicated night fighter. With radar. No evidence it ever carried bombs or was used by day.

The Ju-88C < was a "heavy day fighter" and it was also used as a night fighter. Both. The night fighter version had radar, and I doubt ever carried bombs. The heavy day fighter version did, and was used for ground attack and anti-shipping, and a variety of other roles.

The confusion probably lies in that an armament quote for the Ju-88C-6 night fighter would say "no bombs". Which im sure is right.

The Ju-88 was the most versatile a/c in the LW and was modified to do just about everything, save day fighter ala the 109 and 190.

parin · « **Reply #41 on:** January 22, 2006, 06:10:01 PM »

Can we get that in the weapon package too?

JAWS2003 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 22, 2006, 06:46:56 PM »

For me a Me-410 with a pair of Mk-103's, or a little Bk5 please