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« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2006, 01:45:12 PM »
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I must have missed your committment to who is going to win in this thread:huh

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« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2006, 02:51:24 PM »
doing a search on something, including child porn is not the same as viewing it.
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Obviously, but knowing that you have done a google on a illegal subject is reason enough to justify further investigation.
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« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2006, 03:07:12 PM »
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The request was for google to provide overall search field data over a one week period. No personal information was to be included in any way....only search phrases overall. The purpose was to verify the amount of child porn searches being conducted.
The problem is, in the Bush/Blair era, that measures are taken ostensibly to combat a particular form of crime, but law enforcement is then free to use those powers in any way they see fit.

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« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2006, 03:08:12 PM »
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Thats what they want to do, from Google. John Public or Uncle Sam does not have access to the information that Google has on you.  You have to ask for it, or pass a law to get it.


I must have misunderstood where you said Google publishes that info to the web already :)

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« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2006, 03:31:32 PM »
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doing a search on something, including child porn is not the same as viewing it.
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Obviously, but knowing that you have done a google on a illegal subject is reason enough to justify further investigation.


Just as asking how a bank was robbed make me a potential bank robber and as such is reason enough to justify further investigation
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« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2006, 03:56:50 PM »
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Agreed. But doing a search on something, including child porn is not the same as viewing it.


On top of these these groups of perverts, terrorists, etc use their own 'language' which we don't necessarily understand BUT might use for legit purposes. For example if I do a search on twinky bars, am I doing research on a food item or pickup places for underage gay boys? I'm sure theres lotsa other terms like that too.

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« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2006, 04:01:47 PM »
Just as asking how a bank was robbed make me a potential bank robber
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well of course that depends on lots of things.  

I wouldn't think that asking a generic question would lead to any particular suspician unless you were asking about a specific bank being robbed on a specific day and further, I would think you might already need to be a suspect to attract that sort of attention to yourself.
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« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2006, 04:45:00 PM »
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I must have missed your committment to who is going to win in this thread:huh



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« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2006, 04:51:56 PM »
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Just as asking how a bank was robbed make me a potential bank robber
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well of course that depends on lots of things.  

I wouldn't think that asking a generic question would lead to any particular suspician unless you were asking about a specific bank being robbed on a specific day and further, I would think you might already need to be a suspect to attract that sort of attention to yourself.


Actually I think its more about what the government. or law enforcement feels like being paranoid about.
Just because you do a search on something and it could be anything. Inand of itself shouldnt make you a suspect. Even if not generic.

I may have an interest in bank roberies and the details how they are carried out merely as a subject I find interesting.

That doesnt make me a bank robber or anymore a bankrobber then someone who hasnt run a search on it.

Now bank robberies dont particularly interest me
but I have done searches on and read things based on nothing more then a passing interest such as "The Anarchists Cookbook " (in fact I juust did again to make sure I had the title right)
As have alot of other people I know.
And neither I. nor any of the people I know are any threat to carry out anything we've read in it. In fact I think it would probably be safe to say that the overwhelmingly large majority of people who either have it. or have ready it are no threat whatsoever to actually do the things listed in it.

Just because you may have an interest in soemthing or done a search on it should not be a determining factor inand of itself as to if you are a suspect in any given activity.
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« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2006, 05:25:47 PM »
As long as you are prepared to prove that you wouldnt do any of the things learned in the Anarchists Cookbook you should be fine.

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« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2006, 07:07:15 PM »
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Who cares about this?

How embarrassed can I be being hauled into court for my numerous 'P38 Lightning' searches?


What about your *cough* barnyard livestock *cough* searches? :lol
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« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2006, 11:50:16 PM »
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As long as you are prepared to prove that you wouldnt do any of the things learned in the Anarchists Cookbook you should be fine.

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Dont have to prove I wouldnt and couldnt even if I were so obliged
Anymore then you could prove you wouldnt do any of those things even not haveng read it
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« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2006, 12:05:18 AM »
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As long as you are prepared to prove that you wouldnt do any of the things learned in the Anarchists Cookbook you should be fine.

shamus


My favorite recipie was the one to make homemade napalm hand-greanades .............. umm not that I've read it of course.   And not that I'd ever make such a thing.  Dang oven timer going off, nitro .............. errr, cookies are done.  :)

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« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2006, 12:14:16 AM »
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My favorite recipie was the one to make homemade napalm hand-greanades .............. umm not that I've read it of course.   And not that I'd ever make such a thing.  Dang oven timer going off, nitro .............. errr, cookies are done.  :)



I have had a copy of the book since I was about 12, I even read it then. Frankly even at 12 making the stuff in it seemed pretty stupid and a good way to get blown up.


Not sure why my old man bought it. I think he was was curious and had a selection he had to make from the military book club. He was not an anti government nutter in any way. He loved this country.


It is pretty silly to think that terrorist would need to search for this stuff on the internet.

Hell the book I have is a direct copy of an army field manual.

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« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2006, 12:18:54 AM »
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. [/FONT] [/B]


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