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« Reply #45 on: January 22, 2006, 05:58:42 PM »
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American definition of drunk = 2x  12oz tins of Bud and after 10pm! :rofl


English dont have to define being drunk, it is a normal state.  If your awake, your probably drunk.
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« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2006, 06:02:42 PM »
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English dont have to define being drunk, it is a normal state.  If your awake, your probably drunk.
What, it's the whole country now? :lol

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« Reply #47 on: January 22, 2006, 06:14:02 PM »
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so in America you can get arrested walking home from the bar because you are drunk in public?


Technically speaking, yes.

But, for an officer to stop you and investigate whether or not he ought to do so requires probable cause. That means you're only in danger of being arrested for being drunk if you misbehave or appear so intoxicated as to represent a danger to yourself or others around you.

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« Reply #48 on: January 22, 2006, 06:18:52 PM »
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when they say the law is "being drunk in public" does it mean simply that, or "drunk and disorderly" as the law states here?


The details vary from state to state, since this isn't a matter that federal law may address. However, in practice, I believe you'll find that "disorderly" is indeed a component of any enforcement.

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« Reply #49 on: January 22, 2006, 06:50:18 PM »
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What, it's the whole country now? :lol


From what I have read, yes.   Not something I would laugh about though.
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« Reply #50 on: January 22, 2006, 08:26:55 PM »
Beet, Furby,

You guys aint heard nothing yet.  Go to the "bible belt" and look at some of the "blue laws" and "dry county" Rules

Where I used to live in Texas, it was considered a "dry county"  Only liqure stores could sell liqure.  There were no bars persay but in order to sell beer or hootch you had to have a "private club" and the club could sell memberships.  If a person is drinking in a "club" they HAD to have a membership.

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« Reply #51 on: January 22, 2006, 11:08:15 PM »
I can't remember were it was exactly (20 years ago, and I've worked a lot of small towns across the country), it was some county in KS,OK, or AR, but we went to this bar that didn't sell alcohol at all.  you had to buy your own bottle at the liquor store and they kept it behind the counter and they would provide the mixer and charge you to serve your own booze back to you.

apparently it was the only way to run a bar legally in that county.  I only went with the crew the one time.  I just couldn't see the point in paying someone to put distance between me and my bottle, and pour a glass of rye.  I might have put up with it if the ******* hadn't kept putting ice in the glass.

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« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2006, 11:32:58 PM »
About disturbing the peace... 415PC

If I yell at the top of my lungs at 3am in the middle of the street, I am NOT disturbing anyone's peace... UNTIL someone asks me to stop and I continue to willfully disturb them. If nobody on my block cares, I can yell all I want.

Time of day does not matter. I used to work graveyard shift and slept in the day, if at 12:00 noon my neighbor is blasting music, I ask him to stop and he keeps rock'n out, he is disturbing my peace.

Dont confuse 415 of the PENAL CODE with some local city MUNICIPAL CODE that limits noise after a certain hour, like 10PM.

The main issue I see here is a (possible alcohol related) "medical emergency", your passed out buddy. Cops are not doctors, just because you say he's intoxicated means nothing... for all they know you were trying to kill him & he had been yelling for help.... plus you just don't know what the informant told the police dispatcher. Very often people call in and add the word "gun" or get way too excited thinking more drama gets the holstein there faster.

One question, was anyone under the legal drinking age?, or "appear" under age?.. when juveniles are involved the rules change bigtime.

You can be cuffed for the safety of the officers, and they are allowed to "detain" you for what the courts call a "reasonable amount of time"... which is generally 30 min.

Entering / searching your house, well, yes and no.

With a supine unconscious person, an open door, yelling AND a call for service... it'd be easy for them to justify whats called a "cursory search", a quick look around for more (passed out) people and or the source of the yelling. Had they found something, like narcotics, you might get arrested but have a great warrant-less search issue to bring up in court (called "the fruit of the poison tree")

If the door was shut, you could have easily told them to wank off.

I'm 99% sure your buddy was not arrested, but transported "for his safety" to the hosp... had the police "taken" him, they'd have to pay the bill.... its a dirty trick cops use to stick people with nasty MD bills.

In Cali, and other states, you can be arrested for public intoxication (647(f)PC), held for 4 to 6 hours and released (per: 894(b)(2)PC) WITH NO CHARGES being filed. It's a legal sober-up detention... but if he went to the hosp, this wasn't the case.

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« Reply #53 on: January 23, 2006, 12:16:12 AM »
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It is not Illegal to drink in public only if you are causing a Disturbance or if you are Driving/Fighting. It is Legal to Drink outside your home as long as you are over the age of 21.


In Cali having an open container in public can get you a ticket... and yes, a beer mug counts as open... exceptions being public places licensed to sell alcohol, like a bar or sporting event.

I believe in some states its still ok to have a beer in public, not Cali.

Can anyone here define what "drunk", or "public intoxication" is??

Public intoxication has no legal limit, like driving has; It's the inability to care for your safety or the safety of others, 1 beer or 20 beers. Red wattery eyes, slow slurred speech & mannerisims with the odor of alcoholic beverage is all it takes... so yeah, 95% of folks who drink up till 2am are legally intoxicated.

Also the police are under no obligation to test your blood alcohol limit for a 647 pinch, it's thier word versus yours.

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« Reply #54 on: January 23, 2006, 03:20:47 AM »
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From what I have read, yes.   Not something I would laugh about though.
It's OK to laugh - because it's bollocks.

:lol  <--- for dago :)

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« Reply #55 on: January 23, 2006, 01:45:04 PM »
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because it's bollocks.


^ what he said.

i still can't believe those laws regarding alcohol, to say i am suprised is an understatement.  i am going there in the summer, i had no idea and will now be careful.
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« Reply #56 on: January 23, 2006, 02:37:50 PM »
basically we have so many laws on so many stupid subjects that it's virtually impossible to not be in violation of one or 2 at any given moment.  

IMO the it boils down to the powers that be not liking it when the constitution gets in the way of them doing whatever they feel like doing at the moment.  so they make up these stupid assed laws and say that they'll "use discretion in enforcement".  what that means is they don't intend to really make an issue of the law itself, it's just a tool they can use to take away your constitutional rights when they feel like violating them.

something like--"no it was not a harassment stop.  the suspect was in violation of the 1902 ordnance that required all motor vehicles operated in town at night to be preceded by 50 yds by a man carrying a lantern.  I noticed he was in violation of that law and during the stop found....."

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« Reply #57 on: January 23, 2006, 05:46:20 PM »
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In Cali having an open container in public can get you a ticket...  


And having a shirt button undone will get you three to five in folsom :)

Do as Bodhi said talk to the ACLU and a lawyer.