Author Topic: Chechen Rebellion (Read 826 times)

Wolfala · « **Reply #30 on:** January 29, 2006, 06:07:11 PM »

Hey Pavel,

Do you have a copy of Voyna that we can get setup on Skype with?

Wolf

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #31 on:** January 29, 2006, 06:26:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Hawklore
Perhaps it's the fact that you inclined US troops were fighting in the Chechen Rebellion?

shall i repost your self pwnage??

anyone who reads the thread through will see how you told us that the chechen rebels were 'directly related to the war on terror'

i simply suggested that you get yur president to send some troops there then.

is this too hard for you to comprehend or must i once again quote the whole thread in one post to make it clear to you?

Hawklore · « **Reply #32 on:** January 29, 2006, 08:27:48 PM »

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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
shall i repost your self pwnage??

anyone who reads the thread through will see how you told us that the chechen rebels were 'directly related to the war on terror'

i simply suggested that you get yur president to send some troops there then.

is this too hard for you to comprehend or must i once again quote the whole thread in one post to make it clear to you?

Dude, make some sense..

Estel · « **Reply #33 on:** January 30, 2006, 04:16:13 AM »

I'll add my 5 cents.

I'v seen this film. And the main your problem is that you don't know russian. If you know it, you will find a lot of "mistakes" in english translated cue. The terrorist leader is talking about war and in cue I see words about God... Interesting view onto russian language.

Boroda · « **Reply #34 on:** January 30, 2006, 02:06:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Hawklore
Thanks Boroda.

I'll look into finding that movie to watch...

I guess I allready have a viewpoint, and like all the others, it's stay out, but I got caught up in the which view do I take instead of the whats your opinion on it.

If all the historical information you provided is true, then the Chechens are truly a dangerous breed of 'terrorists'.

Another movie to watch is "Chistilische" (Limbo), but I can't find it at IMDB even by the names of director or actors. It's about a new-year 1995 assault on Grozniy. One of the films that you need a bottle of strong alcohol to watch...

"Voyna" was shown in theatres in the West, but IIRC isn't availible on DVD, and Russian DVD doesn't have subtitles or English soundtrack. Probably it's considered "commie propaganda"...

Basic and most important facts about that "freedom fighters":

1) 500,000 refugees from Chechnya during their "independance" in 1991-94.
2) Terrorist attacks since 1995, first one - a maternity hospital.

IMHO it's enough to make up your mind.

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #35 on:** January 30, 2006, 02:12:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Hawklore
Dude, make some sense..

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Originally posted by Hawklore
It's not 600 miles away.

It's in our backyard, alot of the Chechen rebels now train with the Islamic Extremeists and share information with them, it is directly related with the war on terroism.

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Originally posted by Hawklore

Calling the Chechens terroists is like calling the Minutemen and Freedom Fighters of the american revolution terroists.
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HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...... .

This bit where you contradict yourself rather foolishly within the space of a few posts, what i like to call 'self pwnage'

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Originally posted by Hawklore
It's not 600 miles away.

It's in our backyard, alot of the Chechen rebels now train with the Islamic Extremeists and share information with them, it is directly related with the war on terroism.

Anyways, I'd pick up a PKM not a Kalashnikov...
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its 600 miles away for me, possibly further if i check the map.

if its in your back yard get your president to send more young soldiers to die. you gunna sign up?

niether side is pissed off with me, yet.......

maybe if they are one day, ill change my mind.

I'm sick to death with all these poxy wars, lets all just put the people who think war and death and nooks are cool on one side of the world, and the rest on the other.

when its all over in 2000 years we might have more space and housing prices might drop a little.

the way i see it, if there is a huge war, britain will be nooked off the globe in 5 minutes, and there aint no where for me to go.

i rekon ill just sit there and watch the atomic cloud coming and see if i can inhale a whole ciggy at once as it vaporises just before i do.

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and then here is the part that prompted me to suggest you sent some troop there, as you quite clearly state that the chechens 'are right in our backyard, and directly related to the war on terror'

would you like me to make any more sense out of your nonsense?

FiLtH · « **Reply #36 on:** January 30, 2006, 03:15:39 PM »

I learned alot from that video. What a mess. As far as the guy at the end saying people from the west are uncaring...everyone has problems. I wonder if the Chechens are concerned with the Phillipines. Its a lousy world. Either swallow your pride and end the war, or die fighting for freedom.

Boroda · « **Reply #37 on:** January 31, 2006, 12:24:26 PM »

Watching a film and writing down comments.

1) 100,000 troops in the region: not true, there is a single brigade stationed in Chechnya. Maybe they mean the whole Caucasus/Southern Russia region, also counting police forces and maybe even Cossack militia. 100,000 troops is several times more then we had in Afghanistan, and Afghanistan is 70 times larger then Chechnya.

2) Wearing masks by Federal troops in Chechnya is prohibited by a special order.

3) People checking papers (including the one wearing a mask) speak with heavy Caucasian accent. Russian is foreign language for them.

4) Most of the people in camo shown as "Russians" have beards. Footage with Russian soldiers riding BTRs are probably from 10 years ago, look at the uniforms.

5) Statistics provided by "Memorial" is not true. You can easily catch them: they say 100,000 Russian troops, one for each 6 locals, then they say "population over a million", and "hundreeds of thousands refugees", that means Russians and other non-Chechens. All refugee camps for Chechens had the above mentioned 70,000 people, now they all returned home.

6) Again, you see Chechens wearing masks on the parade.

7) Maskhadov's speech in Chechen: they don't even have numerals in their language, they use Russian words instead.

8) "Unexplained explosions in Moscow", used as "a pre-text for invasion". Unexplained my ass. Second Chechen campaign started after "freedom-fighters" invaded Dagestan and were kicked out of there by the locals.

Already tired, I only want to see Russian atrocities, are there any? Can you, please, tell me on which minute of the movie evil Russian barbarians who came from the East (c) GH start to atrociously genocide poor peace-loving freedom-fighters like Gelayev?

Conclusion: boring russophobic propaganda crap. What else can we expect from a country that openly hosts terrorist leaders like Ahmet Zakayev?... Wasn't one of this British "journalists" killed together with Gelayev's gang with a gun in his hands 2 years ago?

Frankly speaking - I expected more. I want my atrocities and genocide!

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #38 on:** January 31, 2006, 12:50:36 PM »

Boroda I think your biggest problem is that you have blind faith to a system which has been shown to be just a propaganda tool. It's very tell-tale that the word propaganda means falseful information in the west, but just plain old information in the east.

Boroda · « **Reply #39 on:** January 31, 2006, 01:11:24 PM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Boroda I think your biggest problem is that you have blind faith to a system which has been shown to be just a propaganda tool. It's very tell-tale that the word propaganda means falseful information in the west, but just plain old information in the east.

Sorry, I watched only first 13 minutes of the film Hawklore posted. Do you have objective information that contradicts what I wrote above?

Look, if they show Chechen militia searching the neighbourhood and say it's Russian soldiers - should I recommend the film as a reliable source of information? Russian soldiers don't wear beards.

If a British court refuses to admit that Zakayev is a terrorist and needs "more evidence", when Russian side brings a witness, who's fingers were shot off by Zakayev when he was hold for ransom - how should I call it?

If you guys all believe that Russians are bloody savages - aren't you afraid that some day we'll believe it and start to behave like we are supposed to?

And I don't have "blind faith". I only want to see atrocious genocide. Otherwise - confessions of people who say that their village was shelled by a battery of BM-21 "Grad" don't count. If it was true - there couldn't be anyone left to tell journalists about it.

It's easy for you to rationalise about this war. Mostly because 300 people were killed while sleeping in their beds in Moscow, not Helsinki.

If the enemy doesn't surrender - it gets destroyed.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #40 on:** January 31, 2006, 01:20:55 PM »

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If you guys all believe that Russians are bloody savages - aren't you afraid that some day we'll believe it and start to behave like we are supposed to?

Yes.. we're actually afraid that it will happen again. 1939.