Chechen Rebellion

[Hawklore]

Anyone in the area have news on this? Biased or not?

I'm having a hard time siding with Russia, and a hard time siding with Chechen Rebels.

Granted they are terroists now, but they weren't at first, is it possilbe that Russia created the terroistic attitude of the Chechens?

Boroda, ( And others. ) I'd love to have your opinion as a Russian citizen.

Peace talks were supposedly attempted, and as the Chechen rebel leaders came out to talk, they were shot.

48min video I'm relating to, that I watched all the way through.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9099034601896343271&q=chechnya

Is it Biased at all?

(Certain parts are in Russian/Chechen and english with a signlanguage interpretor)

I intend for this to be un-eventful and a true discussion, not a fishing or anything.

[B@tfinkV]

what makes you thin either of them wants you to side with them?

if you do choose you gunna go and pick up a kalashnikov and blast the bad guys?

if you choose russia you get vodka for free, or chechens you get to terrorise school kids.   hmmmmm



i'll sit on the fence and thank god it 600 miles away.

[Hawklore]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
what makes you thin either of them wants you to side with them?

if you do choose you gunna go and pick up a kalashnikov and blast the bad guys?

if you choose russia you get vodka for free, or chechens you get to terrorise school kids.   hmmmmm



i'll sit on the fence and thank god it 600 miles away.

It's not 600 miles away.

It's in our backyard, alot of the Chechen rebels now train with the Islamic Extremeists and share information with them, it is directly related with the war on terroism.

Anyways, I'd pick up a PKM not a Kalashnikov...

[Furball]

anyone that decides to kill a load of school children with nailbombs etc. no matter what their 'justification' for it, do not deserve to be negotiated with.  they deserve to be hunted down and murdered one by one.

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by Hawklore
It's not 600 miles away.

It's in our backyard, alot of the Chechen rebels now train with the Islamic Extremeists and share information with them, it is directly related with the war on terroism.

Anyways, I'd pick up a PKM not a Kalashnikov...

 its 600 miles away for me, possibly further if i check the map.

if its in your back yard get your president to send more young soldiers to die. you gunna sign up?

niether side is pissed off with me, yet.......


maybe if they are one day, ill change my mind.


I'm sick to death with all these poxy wars, lets all just put the people who think war and death and nooks are cool on one side of the world, and the rest on the other.  

when its all over in 2000 years we might have more space and housing prices might drop a little.



the way i see it, if there is a huge war, britain will be nooked off the globe in 5 minutes, and there aint no where for me to go.


i rekon ill just sit there and watch the atomic cloud coming and see if i can inhale a whole ciggy at once as it vaporises just before i do.

[Staga]

Originally posted by Furball
anyone that decides to kill a load of school children with nailbombs etc. no matter what their 'justification' for it, do not deserve to be negotiated with.  they deserve to be hunted down and murdered one by one.

Would same apply if they would use aerial bombings and heavy artillery?

[BlueJ1]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV

if its in your back yard get your president to send more young soldiers to die. you gunna sign up?
 

Most anyone who enllists is well prepared to go anywhere the Commander in Cheif tells them. Its the President they may not agree with politically. But its a job, they may not like doing it, but they will.




On a side note, Russia dosnt exist. its a figment of our imagination.

[B@tfinkV]

sounds fair Blue, but i still think this 'war' is never gunna end untill one side is totaly dead.  why would you want more young brave Americans to fight there?

no disrespect was intended to your armed forces, i still think bush is a monkey though.


Tony Blair is worse, dont think im so blind not to see.

[BlueJ1]

I didnt see any disrespect in your post. Most Americans I see will and do support our troops to no end. We may not support the president politically but its up to  us to support our troops. In this day and age we need to support our troops when all the media shows is the negitive side. Never showing how much they do help. Our troops are the workhorse that is kept out of sight when company is over.I also agree with you that this "war" will never end, unless an example is made of those who harbor terrorists. The less homes terrorists have the better. Its only the beginning. No war is good looking, but as an example it didnt look all that bright for the Allies in WWII. Took a long time to see the end of the Axis. This "war" is on a larger and alot more difficult level to fight, the bright days have not yet come, but give it time.

[Hawklore]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
sounds fair Blue, but i still think this 'war' is never gunna end untill one side is totaly dead.  why would you want more young brave Americans to fight there?

no disrespect was intended to your armed forces, i still think bush is a monkey though.


Tony Blair is worse, dont think im so blind not to see.

First off,

American Soldiers are not fighting in Chechnyea that I know of..

The Russians use artillery, aerial bombings, rockets, modern technology that the Chechens do not have, so what do they do? Do what everyone else who was at a technological disadvantage does, go guerilla tactics, just like the liberty fighters did during the American War for Independence.

The french did the same thing during WWII, but are they being critcized for using what ever they could get their hands on? No, their laughed at the majority of the time..

Every war I can think of there was someone at a technological disadvantage and used terroistic/guerilla tactics to over come that..

Calling the Chechens terroists is like calling the Minutemen and Freedom Fighters of the american revolution terroists.

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by Hawklore
It's not 600 miles away.

It's in our backyard, alot of the Chechen rebels now train with the Islamic Extremeists and share information with them, it is directly related with the war on terroism.

Originally posted by Hawklore

Calling the Chechens terroists is like calling the Minutemen and Freedom Fighters of the american revolution terroists.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...... .


I smell self pwnage

[Mini D]

Taking a schoolhouse full of children hostage in a planned action is not guerilla warfare, it is terrorism. Form your distinction between the two based on that.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Did you know that in Beslan the civillians took law in their own hands and attacked the chechens when the government was too scared to do anything?

I saw a document about it recently and it was .. oh well, business as usual in Russia.

The whole conflict is a gigantic clustered **** which nobody should touch with a 10-foot pole. Both sides are dirty as hell and guilty of attrocities of historical scale.

[Maverick]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
sounds fair Blue, but i still think this 'war' is never gunna end untill one side is totaly dead.  why would you want more young brave Americans to fight there?

Not trying to create any hostility. I just want clarification.

By the statement quoted above, are you referring to the Chechen / Russian conflict or the one in Iraq / Afghanistan?

If you are infact referring to the latter, just who DO you want to be the victor given the condition for victory you specify in the post?

[Hawklore]

Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Did you know that in Beslan the civillians took law in their own hands and attacked the chechens when the government was too scared to do anything?

I saw a document about it recently and it was .. oh well, business as usual in Russia.

The whole conflict is a gigantic clustered **** which nobody should touch with a 10-foot pole. Both sides are dirty as hell and guilty of attrocities of historical scale.

Taking kids hostage/ or their lives is terroism, or atleast brutality/genocide what ever you want to call it. Terroism is a very very broad term and can cover anything that involves terror.

Using nail bombs is not terroism, it's improvation, what you have, and the most lethal... Now using them against children is terroism, now had they used it against the SpetzNaz as they entered the school, thats simply killing the enemy in an old fashioned booby trap style.

It is just a giant cluster F(_)CK, and both parties are guilty, but who is fighting for what is right and who is fighting just to fight?